Hello! There seems to be a strange problem with the KDE 3.3: I used YaST for the update to KDE 3.3, with the official SuSE-RPMs. If I try to log out now the machine crashes (freezes) just before the X-Server should end (and then the KDM normally restarts to the login window, or the PC switches to the 1st text console to reboot/halt), and it does it at nearly every logout. I use XOsview to monitor my PC - it's always open, I don't close it when logging out. (I actually never did this, and it worked great with KDE 3.1 and 3.2). Now the KDE window decoration disappears while logging out as ever, but short after that the PC freezes hard (no mouse, no keyb, no magicsysrq - hardreset...) Btw: thats very "nice" to the ReiserFS and XFS I use, in ~25% of the freezes I have to rebuild at least one ReiserFS tree, and the config files of the last open programms (Opera, Mozilla, XMMS) are also gone sometimes on the XFS partition (my /home) :( The very strange on this problem: it appears on 2 nearly completely different PCs (one Intel, one AMD) - no similarities but a Nvidia card (TNT2 / GeForce3). Speaking of the Nvidia cards - I think it's not the problem. The installed cards an drivers (which were'nt changed!) worked for the "old" KDE like a charm, and I also tried the XFree86-entry "nv" for using the build-in driver. But even after rebooting the machine (and checking for having a "not tainted" kernel) it freezed. It' also not a problem of the SuSE 9.0, while digging the crawlers one person with SuSE 8.2 reported the same freezes using KDE 3.3. Even stranger - a short test shows that a SMP machine don't crashes at that point (but doing other "funny" things). And: if I open a shell and "sync" just before loggin out the machine shuts down fast and clean, no freeze ever seen.... *konfused and unhappy* Michael