Wolfgang Bauer composed on 2015-09-04 15:08 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata:
Or if not using Plasma 5?
Depends on *what* you use, obviously. In particular what window manager.
I don't use Gnome, or LXDE, or XFCE, or IceWM (except to check occasionally whether a crash is in K-something-or-other or in Xorg), or Cinnamon, or TWM, or Mate, or Enlightenment. What I use used to start with a "K", but it's hard to tell just what it is I'm using in TW. "About KDE" from Help menu has "About KDE" in its window's titlebar, and title "KDE - Be Free!" within the window, but makes no mention of any version.
This is the KDE mailinglist, and Plasma 5 is the default (and only supported) KDE desktop in Tumbleweed, so I naturally assumed it was Plasma5/KWin5.
Maybe it would help to have an opensuse-plasma mailing list and deprecate opensuse-kde?
You even stated you're running 5.12, which I suppose means the KDE Frameworks5 version. The only mention of your system in your original mail: "TW freshly zypper up'd to 20150831 and now running 5.12.0 on 32 bit 2.8GHz single core P4."
It's not so simple to determine or describe what is being used any more. As Luca wrote, "there won't be a KDE5, ever." http://www.kde.org/ still exists. http://www.kde.org/ still has a graphic "Get KDE Software", and announcements that begin "KDE Releases...". What logic is there that exists "Plasma 5" when (NAICT) where never was any Plasma 1, 2 or 3? "About KDE" opened from Konsole no longer reports anything to do with any version. That 5.12.0 I wrote came from "About Konsole". Looking at rpm -q output it is no longer a simple matter to figure out an applicable version. Instead of libkde* and kde* packages, package names begin with inexplicably mixed case, with only a fraction of them beginning with "kd" anything.
Before Breeze, I rarely made changes to decorations since 6 or 8 or more years ago. Default KDE visuals for a long time were good, but not any more.
That's a matter of taste though. And that's why it is configurable.
In hindsight (after using KDE4's oxygen for ~8 years), I hate KDE3's default look though and find it just ugly (although I did like it at the time).
The rest of my TWs either have KDE3 or have kept KDE4 by preventing installation of kde-oxygen-fonts and breeze* via zypp locks.
You should have told that in the beginning, instead of letting people guess. So what is it that you are asking about now? KDE3 or KDE4?
Again, it looks like broken dependency, something that worked prior to zypper up that no longer would until ascertaining what got lost, what's involved to recover and doing whatever is required.
Fact is, no decorations until after I installed kdeartwork4-desktopthemes, just like with kdeartwork4-decorations for the thread starter. For both installations, decorations existed prior to zypper up and reboot, were missing after, until those two packages were added, one to each TW installation.
Again, you need to tell what desktop/window manager this is about.
Maybe, since identity of upstream KDE's products isn't so simple to determine, best to have some list of things to look for in output of ps -A. On TW 20150831 host t2240 that triggered this thread, tail -n24 from ps -A: 800 ? 00:00:00 wickedd-nanny 1247 ? 00:00:00 kdm 1275 ? 00:00:00 kdm 1295 ? 00:00:00 startkde 1396 ? 00:00:00 start_kdeinit 1397 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4 1398 ? 00:00:00 klauncher 1400 ? 00:00:02 kded4 1408 ? 00:00:00 kglobalaccel 1426 ? 00:00:01 udisksd 1427 ? 00:00:00 kwrapper4 1431 ? 00:00:00 ksmserver 1432 ? 00:00:00 polkitd 1446 ? 00:00:01 kwin 1458 ? 00:00:00 kactivitymanage 1467 ? 00:00:16 plasma-desktop 1471 ? 00:00:00 kded5 1478 ? 00:00:00 kuiserver 1489 ? 00:00:03 krunner 1491 ? 00:00:00 kmix 1494 ? 00:00:01 konsole 1500 ? 00:00:00 polkit-kde-auth 1506 ? 00:00:00 klipper 1508 ? 00:00:02 knotify4
Still, kdeartwork4-desktopthemes is definitely *not* needed. It might have pulled in some other package you missed though.
If I missed something, so did zypper: # tail -n6 /var/log/zypp/history # *** Creating initrd image file '/boot/initrd-4.1.6-2-desktop' done *** # Perl-Bootloader: 2015-09-04 03:00:43 <3> pbl-6159.2 Core::GRUB::GrubDev2UnixDev.297: Error: hd1 not in device map # 2015-09-04 03:00:44|install|kernel-desktop|4.1.6-2.1|i686||OSS|d35e7f9c8db69a0c52f93563852da9dda63ae07b| 2015-09-04 03:40:43|command|root@t2240|'zypper' '-v' 'in' 'kdeartwork4-desktopthemes'| 2015-09-04 03:40:49|install|kdeartwork4-desktopthemes|15.04.3-1.1|noarch|root@t2240|OSS|6e0e5aac02fa8513de6770e02392e511548636bd| -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org