(1) I hear & acknowledge your points. (2) It's proving challenging for me to not have it come across as 'Linux is insignificant, why should we bother'. I'm trying, but ... (3) Superior #s do not make a superior species. Take cockroaches vs. people, e.g. Tho, it's arguable ... And truly, with due respect, and intent to simply provide ... feedback and some incentive ... perhaps if Mozilla was a bit more openly cooperative users other than just/primarilyFirefox-on-Windows-desktop, then perhaps there'd be more of those users, no? Spend some time *in* KDE community -- users are giving up on Firefox, with a giant 'Meh'. "Here", we're an enterprise shop that uses Linux on the Desktop, as are some other, rather significant companies. We'd use Mozilla products much more widely if issues like this languishing bug that causes all sorts of confusion for our users, and is easily fixed by siwtching to Chrome across the company, didn't exist. (We won't talk at all about the abandonment of unfinished Thunderbird ... that stung us badly, and still does; guessing we're not alone).
From *our* perspective, which I certainly recognize is different than yours, KDE & Linux are much broader reaching, enterprise imperatives for a company like us, and our users, than "which browser" we use. Particularly with one or more serious alternatives available.
A point to keep in mind is that - there's a community of users who DO want this fixed, including an Opensuse developer who HAS a (hacky) fix - and that the common thread has been, if not is, that -- just can't get any interest at Mozilla. Tought to fix the problem in Mozilla product when there's noone willing to talk AT Mozilla. Or, if what you say is true, and continues to be, that KDE support -- and perhaps Linux, too -- is not a priority, then a clear statement of those missing-priorities would be certainly helpful. If only get 'us' to stop wingeing and focus our minority interest and limited resources elsewhere.
That said, there should probably be a discussion ...
If that's an invitation to the outside world -- Linux & KDE to enter into discussion, great. Provide the name of a point person @ Mozilla and a willingness to have 'this' talk, and I'll do my part to see if I can make some connections. Thanks! On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 01:13 PM, Justin Dolske wrote:
On 7/3/14 1:44 PM, grantksupport@operamail.com wrote:
There are LOTS of users that use Firefox on Linux in a KDE environment.
Keep in mind this is is a very relative number -- _All_ Linux usage represents about 3% of Firefox usage. We have 7x more _Windows XP_ users.
It's been reported as a bug in Firefox 12+ years ago & has spawned multiple other bugs.
KDE support hasn't been a priority for Mozilla, nor is it currently a priority. Getting better support for KDE into Firefox will need to be an effort driven and sustained by the KDE community.
There's a fix/workaround in Opensuse (pkg: mozilla-kde4-integration; https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=openSUSE%3AFactory&package=mozilla-kde4-integration), although it's not been accepted in current state @Firefox for upstream inclusion.
Afaict, discussion & activity are basically dead.
It appears that way. Of the bugs you listed, only bug 528598 has any patches (from over a year ago), part of which seems to a forked copy of the biggest piece of browser UI (browser.xul). I'd suggest that if someone in the KDE community is interested in getting fixes upstreamed to Mozilla, the first step will be to break things up into small pieces that can be reviewed and committed individually.
That said, there should probably be a discussion if we even want to accept such patches -- 12 years without significant contributors suggests any KDE code in the Mozilla tree would quickly break/bitrot without someone actively maintaining it.
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