I am still using 11.0. For some reason, upgrades don't work on this box. Another problem for another day. Anyway I upgraded firefox from 3.5 which was in the repo to 16.0.2. I did it from their site, not a suse rpm, because there is none for 11.0 anymore. I installed firefox at /usr/bin/firefox /usr/lib/firefox /usr/bin/X11/firefox Then I could not see videos. It told me to upgrade flash so I did, from the site given in the error message. It is installed at /usr/bin/flashplayer /usr/bin/X11/flashplayer and /usr/lib/flash-plugin KDE is 3.5.9 I still get the message that I need to upgrade flash and of course, can't see any video such as youtube. Video has been a problem. Firefox has shown them more consistently than Konqi. I may have conflicting or mixed up plugins and I really don't have all the codecs I should. How can I straighten all this out so I can see youtube etc? Plugins in attachments -- Bob Rea mailto:gapetard@stsams.org http://www.petard.us http://www.petard.us/blog http://www.petard.us/gallery Where is Bill Stringfellow now that we really need him?