On 11 April 2016 at 22:07, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Markus Slopianka composed on 2016-04-11 21:38 (UTC+0200):
Felix Miata wrote:
Two is sane default.
No. Seriously, it is not.
How short have you been an internet user?
I've been an internet user for over 20 years. 1 browser is all you need as a default in the year 2016.
Btw: Are you an actual openSUSE KDE maintainer?
This might matter why?
Because this is the opensuse-kde mailinglist, and it is ultimately the decision of opensuse-kde maintainers, not Markus, not you, nor me, to decide whether or not Markus' idea is a good one. Those who do, decide..as long as you only test, your part in the decision making process is consultancy at best, bikeshedding at worst.
I'm a tester with hundreds of openSUSE (plus other distros, but more openSUSE than all others combined) installations, someone who on real hardware only for going on two decades has been spotting and reporting bugs that maintainers and developers miss.
As a professional QA tester, I'd love to understand more behind your process. Not because I think I can learn anything from it, but because based on the amount of invalid, incorrect, or downright bizarre issues I've seen you report on these lists lately I suspect your installations, while numerous, have no relation to reality. A prime rule of testing is ensuring that the tests you do reflect actual valid use cases of real human beings actually using your software in the real world to do real things. From the sound of things you have an amazing amount of hardware, a huge amount of installations, and a commendable dedication to testing many different scenarios on that hardware. But if those scenarios are all so artificial that it is irrelevant to the majority of openSUSE users, and that those many installations are so untrackable that you cannot easily inform developers how to reproduce the issues you find, I fear you are just wasting your time. And I'd much rather see you spend the huge amount of time you are willing to spend on the openSUSE Project productively. We have an automated robot for testing, maybe you'd like to write tests for openQA so we can cover some of the real world scenarios that you think we are currently missing right now, so you can retire all that hardware and put it to some real beneficial use for some open source projects?
Back to $SUBJECT, until upstream KDE drops Konq from its default package selection, in the opinion of many including myself, it belongs in every KDE-providing distro's default KDE selection, whether or not any other browser is installed by default along with KDE.
There is no such thing as a 'default package selection' from KDE As has been made very clear in recent discussions with usptream, the KDE 'stack' is not a stack, but a loosely coupled collection of components which distributions can choose to adopt any, all, or none, from. KDE's upstream Plasma maintainers have been actively advocating for distributions like ourselves to dramatically decrease the number of KDE applications we ship, especially the unmaintained, redundant ones. Therefore I fully support Markus' suggestion on several grounds - it seems like a good idea, it's technically sound, and it's aligned with the indications we have been receiving from the upstream KDE Project. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org