On 03/17/13 01:29, Michael Lashkevich wrote:

I have just installed OpenSUSE 12.3, and tried the configuration without HAL. There are some problems:

I wrote this install-guide up for 3.5 on 12.3 (also write ups on each 11.x and 12.x): http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/how-faq-forums/un... You already have installed 3.5 so, at a minimum you can use the procedure to check: 1. That all base packages have been installed (udisks-glue is included in base install) 2. Tip #1 and 2 for two known "gotchas". I don't believe HAL libraries have been provided for 3.5 since 12.1. I'm using 12.3/3.5 100% of the time now, and no impactful problems yet. I didn't use HAl in 12.2, either. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

I had the same problem on 12.2. If you pay attention the output of hald is "Active: active (exited)" so it's not running. A few weeks ago I had sent an e-mail to this list and then I found the solution in a opensuse forun. I copy-past the solution here: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/prin... For some reason the folder /etc/hal was empty. What I had to do was to create a link to /usr/share/hal/: cd /etc/hal ln -s /usr/share/hal/* ./ /etc/init.d/haldaemon stop /etc/init.d/haldaemon start Now, hald is running and so is kpowersave! I hope that this helps! Gianluca On Sun, 24 Mar 2013, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Erik Sorenson wrote:

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I wrote this install-guide up for 3.5 on 12.3 (also write ups on each 11.x and 12.x): I don't believe HAL libraries have been provided for 3.5 since 12.1. I'm using 12.3/3.5 100% of the time now, and no impactful problems yet. I didn't use HAl in 12.2, either.

I can't get KPowersave to work on 12.3. I've tried your guide & another post about HAL stuff, but no luck. HAL is enabled:

"Checking for service HAL daemon unused haldaemon.service - LSB: HAL is a daemon for managing information about the hardware on the system Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/haldaemon) Active: active (exited) since Sun, 2013-03-24 22:55:28 EDT; 40s ago Process: 5805 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/haldaemon start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/haldaemon.service

Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site systemd[1]: Starting LSB: HAL is a daemon for managing information about the hardware on th...tem... Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site haldaemon[5805]: chown: invalid user: 'haldaemon:haldaemon' Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site haldaemon[5805]: Starting HAL daemon..done Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site systemd[1]: Started LSB: HAL is a daemon for managing information about the hardware on the system."

YaST shows HAL installed. So I'm not sure what else I need to do. Any ideas?

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What is the output of `ls /etc/hal` ? Gianluca On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:

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I had the same problem on 12.2. If you pay attention the output of hald is "Active: active (exited)" so it's not running. A few weeks ago I had sent an e-mail to this list and then I found the solution in a opensuse forun. I copy-past the solution here:

http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/prin...

For some reason the folder /etc/hal was empty. What I had to do was to create a link to /usr/share/hal/:

cd /etc/hal ln -s /usr/share/hal/* ./

/etc/init.d/haldaemon stop /etc/init.d/haldaemon start

Now, hald is running and so is kpowersave!

Nope. Same issue. Says Active:exited. kpowersave is still greyed out. I made sure that DBus is installed as well.

If we are gonna be saying KDE3 is supported we need to make sure that this works out of the box........

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On Monday 25 March 2013 21:34:53 Larry Stotler wrote:

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http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/prin...

For some reason the folder /etc/hal was empty. What I had to do was to create a link to /usr/share/hal/:

cd /etc/hal ln -s /usr/share/hal/* ./

/etc/init.d/haldaemon stop /etc/init.d/haldaemon start

Now, hald is running and so is kpowersave!

Nope. Same issue. Says Active:exited. kpowersave is still greyed out. I made sure that DBus is installed as well.

If we are gonna be saying KDE3 is supported we need to make sure that this works out of the box........

Any ideas?

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There is a problem somewhere with HAL. You can try posting on the openSUSE forums, just mentioning HAL (not KDE 3.5), since HAL is sometimes needed also for other applications not just KDE 3.5. In the mean time, you can still hibernate or suspend your computer by entering "powersave" or "powersave -U" on the commandline. There is also an alternative to kpowersave that uses upowerd instead of HAL, batti-gtk: http://code.google.com/p/batti-gtk/ It's fun but not all the functionality of kpowersave. The problem is with HAL and not with KDE 3.5, so maybe you can find the answer on a HAL-related forum? But, sorry, I'm just a user like you, not a developer, so don't take my word. Good luck! Gianluca On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Gianluca Interlandi wrote:

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What is the output of `ls /etc/hal` ?

ls /etc/hal/ fdi

ls -R /etc/hal/fdi /etc/hal/fdi: fdi.dtd information policy preprobe

/etc/hal/fdi/information: 10freedesktop 20thirdparty

/etc/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop: 10-battery.fdi 10-sony-bluetooth-switch.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-asus.fdi 30-keymap-acer.fdi 10-camera-ptp.fdi 10-thinkpad-rfkill-switch-bluetooth.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-dell.fdi 30-keymap-compaq.fdi 10-cd-dvd-burner.fdi 10-usb-card-readers.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-fujitsu.fdi 30-keymap-dell.fdi 10-dell-rfkill-switch-bluetooth.fdi 10-usbcsr-mice.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-hp.fdi 30-keymap-hp.fdi 10-dell-rfkill-switch-wlan.fdi 10-usb-music-players.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-ibm.fdi 30-keymap-lenovo.fdi 10-dell-rfkill-switch-wwan.fdi 10-usb-obex.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-lenovo.fdi 30-keymap-misc.fdi 10-ipw-rfkill-switch.fdi 10-usb-pda.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-misc.fdi 30-keymap-module-sony-laptop.fdi 10-laptop-panel-hardware.fdi 10-usb-zip-drives.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-samsung.fdi 30-keymap-module-thinkpad-acpi.fdi 10-modem.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-acer.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-sony.fdi 10-scanner.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-apple.fdi 20-video-quirk-pm-toshiba.fdi

/etc/hal/fdi/information/20thirdparty:

/etc/hal/fdi/policy: 10osvendor

/etc/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor: 10-cpufreq.fdi 10-imac-backlight.fdi 10-laptop-panel-mgmt-policy.fdi 10-power-mgmt-policy.fdi 10-tabletPCs.fdi 15-storage-luks.fdi 21-storage-ntfs-3g.fdi 10-dockstation.fdi 10-input-policy.fdi 10-leds.fdi 10-rfkill-switch.fdi 10-x11-input.fdi 20-storage-methods.fdi 30-wol.fdi

/etc/hal/fdi/preprobe: 10osvendor 20thirdparty

/etc/hal/fdi/preprobe/10osvendor: 10-ide-drives.fdi 20-broken-usb-sticks.fdi

/etc/hal/fdi/preprobe/20thirdparty: -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

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On Mon, 25 Mar 2013, Larry Stotler wrote:

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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hal is not supported.

So there is no HAL support as of 12.3 at all?

Or, in other words, is this the slow, tormentuous death of KDE 3.5 as its underlying components lose support? What about the trinity project: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ I see that it is supported in OpenSUSE 12.2 but don't know if it is in any openSUSE repository. But, if HAL is not supported, then I expect the same issue there, unless they have an alternative. I wished KDE 3.5 lived longer. Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 26 March 2013 01:04:08 Gianluca Interlandi wrote:

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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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hal is not supported.

So there is no HAL support as of 12.3 at all?

Or, in other words, is this the slow, tormentuous death of KDE 3.5 as its underlying components lose support?

kpowersave is not the core component of kde3.

What about the trinity project:

http://www.trinitydesktop.org/

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On Tuesday 26 March 2013 01:22:15 Serghei Amelian wrote:

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Then, somebody would have to rewrite kpowersave to use upowerd instead of HAL ...

Actually I started to write a replacement some time ago.

Serghei, where can I find the current version of your repository? Possibly we should aim at it for openSUSE 13.1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/26/2013 01:12 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Tuesday 26 March 2013 01:22:15 Serghei Amelian wrote:

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Then, somebody would have to rewrite kpowersave to use upowerd instead of HAL ...

Actually I started to write a replacement some time ago.

Serghei, where can I find the current version of your repository?

Possibly we should aim at it for openSUSE 13.1

Check there: http://sourceforge.net/p/kde3/_list/git -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

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In the mean time, you can still hibernate or suspend your computer by entering "powersave" or "powersave -U" on the commandline.

HAL has nothing to do with suspend and hibernate.

That's why I'm saying that you can still suspend or hibernate through the command line (i.e., without kpowersave). Gianluca

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There is also an alternative to kpowersave that uses upowerd instead of HAL, batti-gtk:

http://code.google.com/p/batti-gtk/

It's fun but not all the functionality of kpowersave.

There is also a pre-HAL version of kpowersave. I will investigate whether I can package it if HAL still will not work.

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The problem is with HAL and not with KDE 3.5, so maybe you can find the answer on a HAL-related forum? But, sorry, I'm just a user like you, not a developer, so don't take my word. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

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Larry, In your output, I see:

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Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site haldaemon[5805]: chown: invalid user: 'haldaemon:haldaemon'

Have you discovered if this is the problem? Have you tried to add your user name to the "haldaemon" group? In my /etc/passwd on 11.3 I have an entry for the haldaemon group: haldaemon:x:108:112:User for haldaemon:/var/run/hald:/bin/false Maybe, this is missing in your installation and you have to create it manually. Gianluca

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Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site haldaemon[5805]: Starting HAL daemon..done Mar 24 22:55:28 linux-jy34.site systemd[1]: Started LSB: HAL is a daemon for managing information about the hardware on the system."

YaST shows HAL installed. So I'm not sure what else I need to do. Any ideas?

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Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------

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On 03/26/2013 05:01 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Tuesday 26 March 2013 01:22:15 Serghei Amelian wrote:

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Actually I started to write a replacement some time ago.

Is it working? Where is it located?

Is not complete yet, at this moment it shows AC/battery status, can suspend the machine and can change brightness of display. http://sourceforge.net/p/kde3/kdebase/ci/342aa83db6f3a8574944dfb99eb151f7ffc... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Well it seems it is not independent of kdebase. Difficult to build it separately...

Just out of curiosity, why do you need to build it separately? If you want to use kpowersave, you probably already have kdebase installed in your system. Gianluca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org