Ilya, all, Let me drop a note here to let you know of a problem experienced on Arch Linux with kde4 loading the kde3 kicker, background and decorations if both kde3 and 4 are installed. NOTE: This is NOT a SuSE problem right now, but I want to capture the information here, just in case this pops up in the future. Best I can tell, sometime in the kde 4.5.3 time frame is when this problem first appeared. I searched in vain trying to find out why in the heck kde4 loaded the kde3 kicker along with it's plasma panel and then proceeded to load the kde3 background and decorations (and dialogs in some cases) Repeated tests removing both ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 made no difference. Removing items from ~/.config/autostart made no difference. Removing /var/tmp/kdecache-user showed very unexpected behavior. If kde3 was installed, starting kde4 (with a new user account) would create both: /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/ksyscoca /var/tmp/kdecache-<user>/ksyscoca4 and then for some reason kde4 appears to be loading settings for both. Removing kde3 & deleting /var/tmp/kdecache-<user> and then restarting kde4 was the only way to get kde4 to load on Arch without pulling in the kde3 settings. I don't know kde3 or kde4 well enough to know where or why this behavior occurred, but I have confirmed this behavior on 8 boxes, both i686 and x86_64. So let me reiterate, this is NOT presently a problem for openSuSE, but if it pops up, I want to give the community the benefit of the testing I have done. I have also opened a bug and kde.org on the issue to see if this can be cured by upstream tweaks. The bug I opened is: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262444 So no response is necessary, unless you have a stroke of genius that may explain where the problem is. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org