Hi All I installed OSS 13.1 + KDE3 (x86_64). Once again, the bugs of KDE4 rise to the surface: what worked in KDE3 before no longer works today! I tried deleting "libkde4" but then appears a list of dependencies. In this list appears "kate.11.3-48…", that unfortunately, I can not simply delete. There is a problem with sessions: they are not saved… There is also a thing called iBus in the task bar, and I assume responsibility that I can not enter metacharacters of my language. Also, I noticed that the beautiful design of KDE4 begins to be felt on KDE3: it is ever slower. I thank a lot the maintainers of KDE3, and I guess that it is involved in these bugs. I hope that it will forgive me the expression of my hate for KDE4: this software and related choices have only disappointed me. So: I will suppress libkde4, and if the system hangs, I will go back to OSS 12.2. Sorry for my bad caracter. Well. This is supposed to be a bug repport.(?) Thanks to all the people involved in KDE3. Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Patrick, Sorry, I don't understand. Why do you need to delete "libkde4"? I have not tested 13.1 yet but up until 12.3 I was able to have both KDE4 and KDE3 libraries running side by side. But if "libkde4" bugs you, can you not simply have a clean install where you choose a minimal X windows system and then install the KDE3 libraries? In this way, you will not have any KDE4 related libraries right from the start. And, what exactly is slower in OSS 13.1 + KDE3? I would be happy if you could share your experience in more details since I am going to install a machine with OSS 13.1 + KDE3 sometime soon. Gianluca On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Patrick Serru wrote:
Hi All
I installed OSS 13.1 + KDE3 (x86_64). Once again, the bugs of KDE4 rise to the surface: what worked in KDE3 before no longer works today! I tried deleting "libkde4" but then appears a list of dependencies. In this list appears "kate.11.3-48?", that unfortunately, I can not simply delete. There is a problem with sessions: they are not saved? There is also a thing called iBus in the task bar, and I assume responsibility that I can not enter metacharacters of my language. Also, I noticed that the beautiful design of KDE4 begins to be felt on KDE3: it is ever slower.
I thank a lot the maintainers of KDE3, and I guess that it is involved in these bugs. I hope that it will forgive me the expression of my hate for KDE4: this software and related choices have only disappointed me.
So: I will suppress libkde4, and if the system hangs, I will go back to OSS 12.2.
Sorry for my bad caracter. Well. This is supposed to be a bug repport.(?)
Thanks to all the people involved in KDE3. Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
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Le lundi 06 janvier 2014, Gianluca Interlandi a écrit :
Hi Patrick,
Sorry, I don't understand. Why do you need to delete "libkde4"? I have not tested 13.1 yet but up until 12.3 I was able to have both KDE4 and KDE3 libraries running side by side. But if "libkde4" bugs you, can you not simply have a clean install where you choose a minimal X windows system and then install the KDE3 libraries? In this way, you will not have any KDE4 related libraries right from the start.
And, what exactly is slower in OSS 13.1 + KDE3? I would be happy if you could share your experience in more details since I am going to install a machine with OSS 13.1 + KDE3 sometime soon.
Gianluca
Hi All About the speed, general (graphical) reaction time to user's actions look slower, I dont know for a running heavy sofware like FIND or UPDATEDB. The machin that is now running 13.1 was running Oss 10.3, 11.1 and 12.2 before. But be aware that the appreciation of speed change is not so simple to me, because there are few monthes now that I use 12.2 on a 4 cores AMD main board, and this is relative fast, so, there are subjectivity risks… Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 07 January 2014 04:12:35 Patrick Serru wrote:
Hi All
I installed OSS 13.1 + KDE3 (x86_64). Once again, the bugs of KDE4 rise to the surface: what worked in KDE3 before no longer works today!
How did you install it?
I tried deleting "libkde4" but then appears a list of dependencies. In this list appears "kate.11.3-48…", that unfortunately, I can not simply delete.
Why? KDE3's Kate is included in package kdebase3-apps, you can safely remove the package "kate" from your system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-01-06 19:12 (GMT-0500) Patrick Serru composed:
I will suppress libkde4, and if the system hangs, I will go back to OSS 12.2.
You don't need to go back to 12.2 to go back to KDE3. Just add the KDE3 to what you have, and run a KDE3 session instead of a KDE4 session in your 13.1. Remove KDE4 entirely if you want, but it shouldn't be necessary. You might actually like one or more KDE4 app versions better than KDE3 versions, Konq for instance. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Le lundi 06 janvier 2014, Felix Miata a écrit :
On 2014-01-06 19:12 (GMT-0500) Patrick Serru composed:
I will suppress libkde4, and if the system hangs, I will go back to OSS 12.2.
You don't need to go back to 12.2 to go back to KDE3. Just add the KDE3 to what you have, and run a KDE3 session instead of a KDE4 session in your 13.1. Remove KDE4 entirely if you want, but it shouldn't be necessary. You might actually like one or more KDE4 app versions better than KDE3 versions, Konq for instance. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Hi all, Right! I ask for installation with "others" X managers (I choised Xfce), then I started with the repo KDE:KDE3 because I confused and typed http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3/ instead of http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 , then installed all the kde3 packages, but the session initialisation program did not proposed KDE3 windows-manager. Then I seen my mistake and used "oneclick install". This could be my mistake. Tell me as soon as possible if you would like me to do some tests for you with such an istallation, because I will re-install "normaly" ASAP, otherwise. Thank you very much. Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-01-08 10:19 (GMT-0500) Patrick Serru composed:
Felix Miata composed:
On 2014-01-06 19:12 (GMT-0500) Patrick Serru composed:
I will suppress libkde4, and if the system hangs, I will go back to OSS 12.2.
You don't need to go back to 12.2 to go back to KDE3. Just add the KDE3 to what you have, and run a KDE3 session instead of a KDE4 session in your 13.1. Remove KDE4 entirely if you want, but it shouldn't be necessary. You might actually like one or more KDE4 app versions better than KDE3 versions, Konq for instance.
Right! I ask for installation with "others" X managers (I choised Xfce), then I started with the repo KDE:KDE3 because I confused and typed http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3/ instead of http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 , then installed all the kde3 packages, but the session initialisation program did not proposed KDE3 windows-manager. Then I seen my mistake and used "oneclick install". This could be my mistake. Tell me as soon as possible if you would like me to do some tests for you with such an istallation, because I will re-install "normaly" ASAP, otherwise.
I expect reinstallation could be little or no help. Search to find what display manager is or managers are installed other than xdm via "zypper se -s dm" or in yast software management. If kdebase3-kdm is not installed, installing it might be the best or easiest solution. Then again it might be only some help. There two files in /etc/sysconfig/ what may be associated with your problem, displaymanager, and windowmanager. For kdm3, displaymanager needs to include 'DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3", and windowmanager needs 'DEFAULT_WM="startkde"'. These can be set in yast sysconfig editor or directly via any plain text editor. Make sure in /usr/share/xsessions/ there is a file called kde.desktop that inside near top says "Name=KDE3". Could be this is the only thing stopping you now, so start with checking on it. The one I have on my 13.1 host gx27b is 3904 bytes created Dec 4. There is an unrelated bug[1] in kdm3 that has to do with login manager itself starting and stopping. You might be better off with KDM4 as login manager if you can't figure out how to fix your currently active one to offer a KDE3 session. [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783862 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 08 janvier 2014, Felix Miata a écrit :
On 2014-01-08 10:19 (GMT-0500) Patrick Serru composed:
Felix Miata composed:
On 2014-01-06 19:12 (GMT-0500) Patrick Serru composed:
I will suppress libkde4, and if the system hangs, I will go back to OSS 12.2.
You don't need to go back to 12.2 to go back to KDE3. Just add the KDE3 to what you have, and run a KDE3 session instead of a KDE4 session in your 13.1. Remove KDE4 entirely if you want, but it shouldn't be necessary. You might actually like one or more KDE4 app versions better than KDE3 versions, Konq for instance.
Right! I ask for installation with "others" X managers (I choised Xfce), then I started with the repo KDE:KDE3 because I confused and typed http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3/ instead of http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 , then installed all the kde3 packages, but the session initialisation program did not proposed KDE3 windows-manager. Then I seen my mistake and used "oneclick install". This could be my mistake. Tell me as soon as possible if you would like me to do some tests for you with such an istallation, because I will re-install "normaly" ASAP, otherwise.
I expect reinstallation could be little or no help. Search to find what display manager is or managers are installed other than xdm via "zypper se -s dm" or in yast software management. If kdebase3-kdm is not installed, installing it might be the best or easiest solution. Then again it might be only some help. There two files in /etc/sysconfig/ what may be associated with your problem, displaymanager, and windowmanager. For kdm3, displaymanager needs to include 'DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3", and windowmanager needs 'DEFAULT_WM="startkde"'. These can be set in yast sysconfig editor or directly via any plain text editor.
Make sure in /usr/share/xsessions/ there is a file called kde.desktop that inside near top says "Name=KDE3". Could be this is the only thing stopping you now, so start with checking on it. The one I have on my 13.1 host gx27b is 3904 bytes created Dec 4.
There is an unrelated bug[1] in kdm3 that has to do with login manager itself starting and stopping. You might be better off with KDM4 as login manager if you can't figure out how to fix your currently active one to offer a KDE3 session.
--------------- Hi all, Thank you for your responses. You are wrong because of my bad way to speak english, and due to the fact that part of my initial post was inapropiate, too. This system never run KDE4, and "kdm" starts now (after the famous "one click install") correctly. Before reinstalling a stable 12.2 version, this could be the occsion to try KDE4. Maybe that old person like me could use it, if it is running ? Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
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