[opensuse-kde3] anyone besides David Rankin ? myself still using KDE3 in Leap?
Nothing against KDE3 in B.O.O. has been fixed in quite some time. Is there any reason to thing anything David Rankin cannot fix himself will ever get fixed? https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1047852 is seriously annoying. I've endured it too long, and it's not the only open KDE3 bug. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044864 is no fun either. If 1047852 doesn't get fixed in coming weeks, when 42.3 support ends I'll have to goto TDE, unless someone can convince me there's some other reason to stick with KDE3 in 15.1. That it comes from openSUSE's own BS isn't enough any more. DR mentioned today that openSUSE has the best maintained KDE3. Does any other distro even offer it? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Nothing against KDE3 in B.O.O. has been fixed in quite some time. Is there any reason to thing anything David Rankin cannot fix himself will ever get fixed? So far, I've been lucky enough to have avoided using C ++, but I've used a lot of C. Is a good knowledge of C and some knowledge C ++ sufficient for bug
Hello All, Le dimanche 26 mai 2019, Felix Miata a écrit : tracking and eventual repair of KDE3 ? I really do not know how to create an environment to build and test KDE3. If I knew it, I'm sure I would have tryed it already.
https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1047852 is seriously annoying. I've endured it too long, and it's not the only open KDE3 bug. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044864 is no fun either. If 1047852 doesn't get fixed in coming weeks, when 42.3 support ends I'll have to goto TDE, unless someone can convince me there's some other reason to stick with KDE3 in 15.1. That it comes from openSUSE's own BS isn't enough any more.
I subscribed early to the trinity mailing list, but by then the project was so static that I stopped dreaming of using it. I'm using KDE3 without trying to run today's Trinity because I'm afraid that all typical KDE3 things are not compatible with Trinity things, not just the "~/?kde?" directories (renamed "~/?tde?" AFAIK), but kmail too.
DR mentioned today that openSUSE has the best maintained KDE3. Does any other distro even offer it? Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
I guess a lot of people are like me. Would other members of this list be interested in something like a tutorial that would teach how to develop KDE3 on a desktop computer ? If not, I agree with Felix: just give up the development of KDE3, as decided more than ten years ago. Sincerely Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/26/2019 10:30 PM, Patrick Serru wrote:
I subscribed early to the trinity mailing list, but by then the project was so static that I stopped dreaming of using it. I'm using KDE3 without trying to run today's Trinity because I'm afraid that all typical KDE3 things are not compatible with Trinity things, not just the "~/?kde?" directories (renamed "~/?tde?" AFAIK), but kmail too.
I spent 2 years building TDE for Arch, but ultimately came back from TDE to KDE here. When the plan at TDE was to develope the tQt_interface to allow kwin4/Qt4 to be direct drop-in, it made sense to look at a large renaming effort (K/T) so KDE4/TDE could co-exist without conflict. Once TDE decided to remain upstream for Qt3 and not move to Qt4, the renaming lost any real need and only injected further incompatibility between kde apps and tde. When Plasma was released and KDE4 lived no more, all of the renaming in TDE should have been reverted, but instead another set was undertaken. Don't ask me why....
DR mentioned today that openSUSE has the best maintained KDE3. Does any other distro even offer it? Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ I guess a lot of people are like me. Would other members of this list be interested in something like a tutorial that would teach how to develop KDE3 on a desktop computer ? If not, I agree with Felix: just give up the development of KDE3, as decided more than ten years ago.
Sincerely
Patrick
Centos, BSD and a few others I've forgotten provide KDE3 (and a whole host of European providers do. The perfect path forward is to simply cherry-pick a handful of improvements that TDE has that need to be similarly patched here (a few SSL/TLS patches come to mind. But as we sit today with 15.1, KDE3 is still in the best shape it has ever been, and provides the most well thought out and integrated suite of desktop application of any other desktop (Plasma included). I've used just about every desktop under the sun, and KDE3 is the No. 1 desktop available, if there is no KDE3 on any other distro I use, the fluxbox is the desktop of choice. I don't mind rolling up my sleeves to keep it going, but like you I have far more of a C background than C++. Thankfully, it doesn't take much more than learning the basics of classes, base and friends and then the kde3/qt3 code isn't that hard to understand (there is a lot of it, but it isn't bad compared to some other bastardizations of C++. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/05/2019 02.49, Felix Miata wrote:
Nothing against KDE3 in B.O.O. has been fixed in quite some time. Is there any reason to thing anything David Rankin cannot fix himself will ever get fixed?
I do not use KDE3, but I used two applications from KDE3 that were not ported: kbabel and rekall. kbabel I have not used in some years (since the translation teams moved to weblate) - the replacement is "lokalize", which misses some "kbabel" features (verification) but I can make do without them. "rekall" has disappeared from 15.*; I still need it, so I have installed a virtual machine with 42.3 to use it there. Other than that, I have no real use for kde3. It was was good while it lasted, thanks to the people that made it possible. I could try to build rekall myself, locally, to see what the problem is. I asked in this list and I have a bugzilla on it, no movement. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 05/27/2019 04:37 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I could try to build rekall myself, locally, to see what the problem is. I asked in this list and I have a bugzilla on it, no movement.
Carlos, If you don't make any progress rebuilding rekall, let me know and I'll give it a shot. I just rebuilt Keepassx 0.4.3 from 42.3 on 15.1 with no problem. (I had to load a few libraries I hadn't installed, but other than that it worked flawlessly) After kicking the tires for a few days and tweaking out my desktop, KDE3 on 15.1 is in the best shape it has ever been! (only bitch was I lost my first game of Patients.... happens...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On Sun, 26 May 2019 20:49:39 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Nothing against KDE3 in B.O.O. has been fixed in quite some time. Is there any reason to thing anything David Rankin cannot fix himself will ever get fixed?
[snipped] Hello: I also do use KDE3 almost exclusively. One user uses KDE4 but it is still in openSUSE 13.1. I use KDE3 in openSUSE Leap 42.2 and 42.3 and on one computer in Leap 15.0. It works nicely, only in 15.0 it gives kdesu error if I want to run applications as root. See: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde3/2018-12/msg00002.html. I haven't tried 15.1 yet. Previously I used trinity TDE in 13.2 and it was OK but I like opensuse KDE3 better. I am grateful to all who are still making it work. Cheers, Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Dear KDE3 mailing list, I haven't followed the entire conversation from the beginning. Was this question just to get an idea how many people are still using KDE3, in general or specifically with Leap? I have multiple 11.x, 12.x and 13.2 installations that use KDE3. If I ever upgrade to a newer installation, I will still give KDE3 a try. Istvan, I'm just curious. Can you please tell us what you liked in KDE3 better than TDE? Thanks, Gianluca On Wed, 12 Jun 2019, Istvan Gabor wrote:
On Sun, 26 May 2019 20:49:39 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Nothing against KDE3 in B.O.O. has been fixed in quite some time. Is there any reason to thing anything David Rankin cannot fix himself will ever get fixed?
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Hello:
I also do use KDE3 almost exclusively. One user uses KDE4 but it is still in openSUSE 13.1.
I use KDE3 in openSUSE Leap 42.2 and 42.3 and on one computer in Leap 15.0. It works nicely, only in 15.0 it gives kdesu error if I want to run applications as root. See: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde3/2018-12/msg00002.html. I haven't tried 15.1 yet.
Previously I used trinity TDE in 13.2 and it was OK but I like opensuse KDE3 better.
I am grateful to all who are still making it work.
Cheers,
Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2019-06-12 10:52 (UTC-0700):
On Sun, 26 May 2019 20:49:39 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Nothing against KDE3 in B.O.O. has been fixed in quite some time. Is there any reason to thing anything David Rankin cannot fix himself will ever get fixed? ... I haven't followed the entire conversation from the beginning. Was this question just to get an idea how many people are still using KDE3, in general or specifically with Leap? It's about anyone using KDE3 in any currently supported openSUSE version. The underlying primary motivation is these particular bugs: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1047852 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1044864 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
participants (6)
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Carlos E. R.
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David C. Rankin
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Felix Miata
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Gianluca Interlandi
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Istvan Gabor
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Patrick Serru