[kde3] all sound in 15.4 dead since yesterday's updates
This is my 24/7 15.4 system.
Anyone else have this happen? https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/c555585e51d5 is 30kb .xsession-errors, loaded with errors. Is there a key clue among them, a place to start? https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b785201f5489 has installed packages output from: # rpm -qa | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|vlc|wire|xdg' | sort Recognize anything helpful in https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/d029b3c47e85 (tail of /var/log/zypp/history)? Last updates were about 3 weeks ago. $ inxi -Aaz Audio: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0c0c class-ID: 0403 Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:8c20 class-ID: 0403 API: ALSA v: k5.14.21-150400.24.66-default status: kernel-api with: 1: aoss type: oss-emulator 2: apulse type: pulse-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer Server-1: aRts v: 1.5.10 status: off with: artswrapper status: off tools: artsdsp Server-2: PipeWire v: 0.3.49 status: off with: wireplumber status: off tools: pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl Server-3: PulseAudio v: 15.0 status: active with: pulseaudio-alsa type: plugin tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol $ systemctl --user status pipewire.{service,socket} ○ pipewire.service - PipeWire Multimedia Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: inactive (dead) TriggeredBy: ● pipewire.socket ● pipewire.socket - PipeWire Multimedia System Socket Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.socket; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (listening) since Fri 2023-07-07 01:55:40 EDT; 1 day 20h ago Triggers: ● pipewire.service Listen: /run/user/1050/pipewire-0 (Stream) CGroup: /user.slice/user-1050.slice/user@1050.service/app.slice/pipewire.socket Jul 07 01:55:40 00srv systemd[1069]: Listening on PipeWire Multimedia System Socket.
This is a zoo: alsa-info.txt: https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/440c5775cce7 Any tell-tales in it? Graphics connection is DVI, so only the rear pin jack connection is used for output to standalone PC speakers. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 7/8/23 22:23, Felix Miata wrote:
Strange, but not, all good here on 15.4 -- updated through 7/6/23 (now you have me worried about updating.....)
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/c555585e51d5 is 30kb .xsession-errors, loaded with errors. Is there a key clue among them, a place to start?
I don't have your line 37: Failure: Module initialization failed or lines 44-67: Could not find 'crashreporter' executable. Usage: kcmshell [Qt-options] [KDE-options] [options] module A tool to start single KDE control modules Generic options: --help Show help about options --help-qt Show Qt specific options --help-kde Show KDE specific options --help-all Show all options --author Show author information -v, --version Show version information --license Show license information -- End of options Options: --list List all possible modules Arguments: module Configuration module to open --lang <language> Specify a particular language --embed <id> Embeds the module with buttons in window with id <id> --embed-proxy <id> Embeds the module without buttons in window with id <id> --silent Do not display main window But other than those (which I don't see as related to a new sound bug), our .xsession-error files look identical
Where is kamix? Otherwise, I have a few more packages returned: # rpm -qa | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|vlc|wire|xdg' | sort alsa-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 alsa-devel-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 alsa-oss-1.1.8-150300.12.3.2.x86_64 alsa-oss-32bit-1.1.8-150300.12.3.2.x86_64 alsa-plugins-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-32bit-1.1.5-3.3.1.x86_64 alsa-plugins-speexrate-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-upmix-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-ucm-conf-1.2.6.3-150400.1.4.noarch alsa-utils-1.2.6-150400.1.4.x86_64 arts-1.5.10-lp154.39.66.x86_64 arts-devel-1.5.10-lp154.39.66.x86_64 audiofile-devel-0.3.6-3.7.10.x86_64 gstreamer-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 gstreamer-lang-1.20.1-150400.1.5.noarch gstreamer-plugins-base-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-lang-1.20.1-150400.1.9.noarch jackson-annotations-2.13.0-150200.3.6.1.noarch jackson-core-2.13.0-150200.3.6.1.noarch jackson-databind-2.13.4.2-150200.3.12.1.noarch kalsatools-1.5.0-lp154.605.2.x86_64 kamix-0.0.7e-lp154.261.2.x86_64 kdeartwork3-sound-3.5.10-lp154.77.2.x86_64 kdelibs3-arts-3.5.10-lp154.243.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-CD-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-arts-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-extra-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-jukebox-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-midi-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-sound-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kernel-firmware-sound-20220509-150400.4.16.1.noarch kio_audiocd-16.08.3-lp154.6.1.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-2_0-0-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-2_0-0-32bit-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-devel-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-devel-32bit-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL_mixer-1_2-0-1.2.12-bp154.1.97.x86_64 libSDL_mixer-devel-1.2.12-bp154.1.97.x86_64 libSDL_sound-1_0-1-1.0.3-bp154.1.132.x86_64 libSDL_sound-devel-1.0.3-bp154.1.132.x86_64 libasound2-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libasound2-32bit-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libaudiofile1-0.3.6-3.7.10.x86_64 libgstaudio-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libgstreamer-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 libgstriff-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libjack-devel-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjack0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjack0-32bit-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjacknet0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjackserver0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libportaudio2-190600_20161030-2.39.x86_64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-32bit-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libvlc5-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libvlccore9-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libwireshark15-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 libwiretap12-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 lsof-4.91-1.11.x86_64 pulseview-0.4.2-bp154.1.55.x86_64 qemu-audio-spice-6.2.0-150400.37.17.1.x86_64 sound-theme-freedesktop-0.8-150400.12.7.noarch vlc-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-codec-gstreamer-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-lang-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.noarch vlc-noX-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-qt-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-vdpau-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 wireless-regdb-2019.06.03-3.14.1.noarch wireless-tools-30.pre9-150400.13.6.x86_64 wireshark-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 wireshark-ui-qt-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 xdg-dbus-proxy-0.1.2-1.57.x86_64 xdg-menu-0.2-1.23.noarch xdg-utils-1.1.3+20201113-150400.1.4.noarch
# inxi -Aaz Audio: Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1c20 class-ID: 0403 Device-2: NVIDIA GF104 High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0beb class-ID: 0403 Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.14.21-150400.24.66-default running: yes No pulse or pipewire on my system -- check the archwiki for pipewire, I recall as conflict between pulseaudio and pipewire that could be an issue
It is a zoo. Only tale I see is possibly: PipeWire: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pipewire) Running - No Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - Yes aRts: Installed - Yes (/opt/kde3/bin/artsd) Running - No Pulseaudio is the only thing running and that's seems odd. (I'm no sound guru though). The rest of the file with the 19 spastic entries (e.g. Y,Y,Y,Y,......) looks to just be the settings for each of the 19 or 20 sound cards it tries to initialize on x-startup -- only 1 of which you have to work with. I don't see that stuff as harmful. I'd try to pull in the latest updates. I know through 2 days ago updates for me were fine on sound (I have minimal use for it, but do like a subtle sound scheme for window actions, e.g. maximize, minimize, shade, unshade, etc...)
Graphics connection is DVI, so only the rear pin jack connection is used for output to standalone PC speakers.
Install kamix and pull fresh updates and report back. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
David C. Rankin composed on 2023-07-09 02:04 (UTC-0500):
Install kamix and pull fresh updates and report back.
Seems odd after so many years without kamix that I would need 2 mixers now all of a sudden: # head -n1 /var/log/zypp/history 2019-03-10 03:07:25|command|root@... # grep kamix /var/log/zypp/history # rpmqa mix alsa-plugins-upmix-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 # zypper lu | grep -v ading S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+------------+-----------------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+------- v | OSS | desktop-data-openSUSE | 15.0.20171024-lp153.1.53 | 15.2.20200107-lp154.1.2 | noarch -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 7/9/23 09:00, Felix Miata wrote:
Well ... Thank God! We have desktop-data .. but is this the full version that contains all the menu categories or the new Gnome4 stripped version that dumps all apps into a single uncategorized menu-mess? I've still got desktop-data-openSUSE-15.0.20171024-lp153.1.53.noarch and I suspect the 15.2.20200107.... is the gnome4 stripped version. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-08 23:23 (UTC-0400):
Past time for bed, but before I do, an update: Problem is that output device got switched from pin jack to HDMI port. I don't know what did it, or what controls which port(s) get any sound output. I can plug in a second display, with internal speakers, via HDMI, and sounds all work as expected. I don't want two displays, and I don't want to switch displays. I want the sound going to the pin jack. But how? What/where controls this? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 7/11/23 01:50, Felix Miata wrote:
We will think on it while you are sleeping. I know pulse defines sources and sinks for sound routing (marked in memory as "sources and sinks" is an old aerodynamic analogy for describing airflow patterns...) I don't know how pipewire does it -- this is all what the new driver apps do for the kids windows setup for headset, speaker, built-in speaker output selection. Not clear if a pre-pipewire/pre-pulse mixer can do that. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 7/12/23 01:39, David C. Rankin wrote:
Risked an update and pulled in all updated through Now. kde3-libs and kde3-args (and even kde3-windeco-crystal) and others were updated. I was worried about crystal -- I would be very disappointed if that got messed up -- but... All good and sound is still doing what is was supposed to do. No epiphanies while you were sleeping... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-19 00:59 (UTC-0400): ...
As posted separately here, and noted in the forum thread (in more detail), I've installed 15.5 (in place of 15.3), and have made good progress in 15.5. ATM the only 15.5 failures are: 1-KControl sound setup test button does nothing (who cares?) 2-Youtube in Firefox produces no sound 3-Youtube in SeaMonkey produces no sound 4-VLC crashes trying to play a local .webm, but plays an old .mpeg OK IOW, system sounds OK, Aplay OK, VLC mixed, MPV OK, SMplayer OK, Falkon Youtube OK, Chromium Youtube OK, Palemoon 32.0.1 Youtube OK. This is all without any of Packman enabled. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-08 23:23 (UTC-0400):
This is my 24/7 15.4 system.
Anyone else have this happen?
Given the lack of progress finding a solution, I did a fresh installation of 15.5 in the space formerly occupied by 15.3. The forum thread has the latest status of 15.5, but I did some experimenting with 15.4 a while ago and have determined that for aplay to play .wav files without any switches, and for KDE3 system sounds (but not KControl test sound), neither arts nor jack is required, other than libjack0: # cat /etc/modprobe.d/99-local.conf alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 options snd-hda-intel id=HDMI index=1 # inxi -Aaz --vs --zl --hostname inxi 3.3.28-00 (2023-07-10) Audio: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0c0c class-ID: 0403 Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:8c20 class-ID: 0403 API: ALSA v: k5.14.21-150400.24.69-default status: kernel-api with: 1: aoss type: oss-emulator 2: apulse type: pulse-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer Server-1: PulseAudio v: 15.0 status: off tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol # rpm -qa | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|vlc|wire|xdg' | sort > sndpkgs-msi85-s154-202307242345.txt alsa-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 alsa-firmware-1.2.4-1.41.noarch alsa-oss-1.1.8-150300.12.3.2.x86_64 alsa-plugins-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-oss-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-speexrate-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-upmix-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-topology-conf-1.2.5-150400.1.5.noarch alsa-ucm-conf-1.2.6.3-150400.1.4.noarch alsa-utils-1.2.6-150400.1.4.x86_64 apulse-0.1.13-bp154.1.41.x86_64 gstreamer-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kernel-firmware-sound-20220509-150400.4.16.1.noarch libasound2-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libasound2-32bit-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libaudiofile1-0.3.6-3.7.10.x86_64 libgstaudio-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libgstreamer-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 libgstriff-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libjack0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libopenshot-audio8-0.2.2-bp154.1.36.x86_64 libpipewire-0_3-0-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-32bit-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libSDL_sound-1_0-1-1.0.3-bp154.1.132.x86_64 libvlc5-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libvlccore9-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libwebrtc_audio_processing1-0.3-1.35.x86_64 libwireshark15-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 libwiretap12-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 lsof-4.91-1.11.x86_64 pavucontrol-5.0-150400.1.8.x86_64 pipewire-modules-0_3-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 pipewire-spa-plugins-0_2-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 pulseaudio-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 pulseaudio-setup-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 pulseaudio-utils-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 python3-pyxdg-0.26-1.21.noarch sof-firmware-2.0-150400.1.4.noarch sound-theme-freedesktop-0.8-150400.12.7.noarch system-user-pulse-15.0-150400.2.10.noarch vlc-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-codecs-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-noX-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-opencv-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-qt-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 xdg-menu-0.2-1.23.noarch xdg-utils-1.1.3+20201113-150400.1.4.noarch yast2-sound-4.4.1-150400.1.6.x86_64 # systemctl --global --user status pulseaudio.{service,socket} ○ pulseaudio.service - Sound Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: inactive (dead) TriggeredBy: ○ pulseaudio.socket Condition: start condition failed at Mon 2023-07-24 23:44:53 EDT; 2min 13s ago └─ ConditionUser=!root was not met Jul 24 23:44:53 00srv systemd[1051]: Condition check resulted in Sound Service being skipped. ○ pulseaudio.socket - Sound System Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.socket; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: inactive (dead) Triggers: ● pulseaudio.service Condition: start condition failed at Mon 2023-07-24 23:44:53 EDT; 2min 13s ago └─ ConditionUser=!root was not met Listen: /run/user/0/pulse/native (Stream) Jul 24 23:44:53 00srv systemd[1051]: Condition check resulted in Sound System being skipped. # aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo # OK analog, but nothing from web browsers, vlc, smplayer or mpv # pavucontrol claims no output devices Mental exhaustion set in before I could determine what it takes to make any other audio work. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Kirjavainen Tero composed on 2023-07-25 08:43 (UTC+0300):
Haven't rid the whole chain but seems like yje service ain't happy being ran as a root user, am I wrong? "ConditionUser=!root was not met"
Whether it matters or not varies. It shouldn't, as what the superuser cannot do shouldn't be expected that any other user can do. It seems pipewire is the absolute no-can-do for root sound, as alsa and pulseaudio seem to be OK with it, but it may be there's a path through the sound component maze enabling pipewire that I simply haven't stumbled onto yet. That said, in testing and setting up I keep multiple Konsole tabs open for the different purposes that may or may not require su permission. I don't like using su, su - or sudo. It's not clear to me how systemctl syntax with --global and --user is supposed to actually work, so typically I run enable/disable using both parameters as root, and for status at a root prompt. I've tried several times over the months to learn a way to override ConditionUser=!root, but so far I haven't found an instruction I've been able to make work. It's hard to decipher what's actually in control when asking for something from speakers. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-08 23:23 (UTC-0400):
Anyone else have this happen?
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/c555585e51d5 is 30kb .xsession-errors, loaded with errors. Is there a key clue among them, a place to start?
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/b785201f5489 has installed packages output from: # rpm -qa | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|vlc|wire|xdg' | sort
Graphics connection is DVI, so only the rear pin jack connection is used for output to standalone PC speakers.
Ultimately I solved this with a fresh installation of 15.5, with only one *puls* package: libpulse0. Everything tried so far works purely on pipewire/wireplumber, except that Firefox and SeaMonkey need to be started by apulse. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 9/26/23 21:00, Felix Miata wrote:
I finally installed pipewire on 15.4 and was quite impressed with it. Instantly all the apps that needed it (mozilla apps, etc..) found it, and wpctl was quite a handy app compared with pactl. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 7/8/23 22:23, Felix Miata wrote:
Strange, but not, all good here on 15.4 -- updated through 7/6/23 (now you have me worried about updating.....)
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/c555585e51d5 is 30kb .xsession-errors, loaded with errors. Is there a key clue among them, a place to start?
I don't have your line 37: Failure: Module initialization failed or lines 44-67: Could not find 'crashreporter' executable. Usage: kcmshell [Qt-options] [KDE-options] [options] module A tool to start single KDE control modules Generic options: --help Show help about options --help-qt Show Qt specific options --help-kde Show KDE specific options --help-all Show all options --author Show author information -v, --version Show version information --license Show license information -- End of options Options: --list List all possible modules Arguments: module Configuration module to open --lang <language> Specify a particular language --embed <id> Embeds the module with buttons in window with id <id> --embed-proxy <id> Embeds the module without buttons in window with id <id> --silent Do not display main window But other than those (which I don't see as related to a new sound bug), our .xsession-error files look identical
Where is kamix? Otherwise, I have a few more packages returned: # rpm -qa | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|vlc|wire|xdg' | sort alsa-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 alsa-devel-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 alsa-oss-1.1.8-150300.12.3.2.x86_64 alsa-oss-32bit-1.1.8-150300.12.3.2.x86_64 alsa-plugins-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-32bit-1.1.5-3.3.1.x86_64 alsa-plugins-speexrate-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-upmix-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-ucm-conf-1.2.6.3-150400.1.4.noarch alsa-utils-1.2.6-150400.1.4.x86_64 arts-1.5.10-lp154.39.66.x86_64 arts-devel-1.5.10-lp154.39.66.x86_64 audiofile-devel-0.3.6-3.7.10.x86_64 gstreamer-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 gstreamer-lang-1.20.1-150400.1.5.noarch gstreamer-plugins-base-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-lang-1.20.1-150400.1.9.noarch jackson-annotations-2.13.0-150200.3.6.1.noarch jackson-core-2.13.0-150200.3.6.1.noarch jackson-databind-2.13.4.2-150200.3.12.1.noarch kalsatools-1.5.0-lp154.605.2.x86_64 kamix-0.0.7e-lp154.261.2.x86_64 kdeartwork3-sound-3.5.10-lp154.77.2.x86_64 kdelibs3-arts-3.5.10-lp154.243.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-CD-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-arts-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-arts-mad-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-extra-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-jukebox-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-midi-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-sound-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kernel-firmware-sound-20220509-150400.4.16.1.noarch kio_audiocd-16.08.3-lp154.6.1.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-2_0-0-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-2_0-0-32bit-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-devel-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL2_mixer-devel-32bit-2.0.4-bp154.1.90.x86_64 libSDL_mixer-1_2-0-1.2.12-bp154.1.97.x86_64 libSDL_mixer-devel-1.2.12-bp154.1.97.x86_64 libSDL_sound-1_0-1-1.0.3-bp154.1.132.x86_64 libSDL_sound-devel-1.0.3-bp154.1.132.x86_64 libasound2-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libasound2-32bit-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libaudiofile1-0.3.6-3.7.10.x86_64 libgstaudio-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libgstreamer-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 libgstriff-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libjack-devel-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjack0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjack0-32bit-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjacknet0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libjackserver0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libportaudio2-190600_20161030-2.39.x86_64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-32bit-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libvlc5-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libvlccore9-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libwireshark15-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 libwiretap12-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 lsof-4.91-1.11.x86_64 pulseview-0.4.2-bp154.1.55.x86_64 qemu-audio-spice-6.2.0-150400.37.17.1.x86_64 sound-theme-freedesktop-0.8-150400.12.7.noarch vlc-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-codec-gstreamer-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-lang-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.noarch vlc-noX-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-qt-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-vdpau-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 wireless-regdb-2019.06.03-3.14.1.noarch wireless-tools-30.pre9-150400.13.6.x86_64 wireshark-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 wireshark-ui-qt-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 xdg-dbus-proxy-0.1.2-1.57.x86_64 xdg-menu-0.2-1.23.noarch xdg-utils-1.1.3+20201113-150400.1.4.noarch
# inxi -Aaz Audio: Device-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1c20 class-ID: 0403 Device-2: NVIDIA GF104 High Definition Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1 chip-ID: 10de:0beb class-ID: 0403 Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.14.21-150400.24.66-default running: yes No pulse or pipewire on my system -- check the archwiki for pipewire, I recall as conflict between pulseaudio and pipewire that could be an issue
It is a zoo. Only tale I see is possibly: PipeWire: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pipewire) Running - No Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - Yes aRts: Installed - Yes (/opt/kde3/bin/artsd) Running - No Pulseaudio is the only thing running and that's seems odd. (I'm no sound guru though). The rest of the file with the 19 spastic entries (e.g. Y,Y,Y,Y,......) looks to just be the settings for each of the 19 or 20 sound cards it tries to initialize on x-startup -- only 1 of which you have to work with. I don't see that stuff as harmful. I'd try to pull in the latest updates. I know through 2 days ago updates for me were fine on sound (I have minimal use for it, but do like a subtle sound scheme for window actions, e.g. maximize, minimize, shade, unshade, etc...)
Graphics connection is DVI, so only the rear pin jack connection is used for output to standalone PC speakers.
Install kamix and pull fresh updates and report back. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
David C. Rankin composed on 2023-07-09 02:04 (UTC-0500):
Install kamix and pull fresh updates and report back.
Seems odd after so many years without kamix that I would need 2 mixers now all of a sudden: # head -n1 /var/log/zypp/history 2019-03-10 03:07:25|command|root@... # grep kamix /var/log/zypp/history # rpmqa mix alsa-plugins-upmix-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 # zypper lu | grep -v ading S | Repository | Name | Current Version | Available Version | Arch --+------------+-----------------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+------- v | OSS | desktop-data-openSUSE | 15.0.20171024-lp153.1.53 | 15.2.20200107-lp154.1.2 | noarch -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 7/9/23 09:00, Felix Miata wrote:
Well ... Thank God! We have desktop-data .. but is this the full version that contains all the menu categories or the new Gnome4 stripped version that dumps all apps into a single uncategorized menu-mess? I've still got desktop-data-openSUSE-15.0.20171024-lp153.1.53.noarch and I suspect the 15.2.20200107.... is the gnome4 stripped version. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-08 23:23 (UTC-0400):
Past time for bed, but before I do, an update: Problem is that output device got switched from pin jack to HDMI port. I don't know what did it, or what controls which port(s) get any sound output. I can plug in a second display, with internal speakers, via HDMI, and sounds all work as expected. I don't want two displays, and I don't want to switch displays. I want the sound going to the pin jack. But how? What/where controls this? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 7/11/23 01:50, Felix Miata wrote:
We will think on it while you are sleeping. I know pulse defines sources and sinks for sound routing (marked in memory as "sources and sinks" is an old aerodynamic analogy for describing airflow patterns...) I don't know how pipewire does it -- this is all what the new driver apps do for the kids windows setup for headset, speaker, built-in speaker output selection. Not clear if a pre-pipewire/pre-pulse mixer can do that. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 7/12/23 01:39, David C. Rankin wrote:
Risked an update and pulled in all updated through Now. kde3-libs and kde3-args (and even kde3-windeco-crystal) and others were updated. I was worried about crystal -- I would be very disappointed if that got messed up -- but... All good and sound is still doing what is was supposed to do. No epiphanies while you were sleeping... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-19 00:59 (UTC-0400): ...
As posted separately here, and noted in the forum thread (in more detail), I've installed 15.5 (in place of 15.3), and have made good progress in 15.5. ATM the only 15.5 failures are: 1-KControl sound setup test button does nothing (who cares?) 2-Youtube in Firefox produces no sound 3-Youtube in SeaMonkey produces no sound 4-VLC crashes trying to play a local .webm, but plays an old .mpeg OK IOW, system sounds OK, Aplay OK, VLC mixed, MPV OK, SMplayer OK, Falkon Youtube OK, Chromium Youtube OK, Palemoon 32.0.1 Youtube OK. This is all without any of Packman enabled. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2023-07-08 23:23 (UTC-0400):
This is my 24/7 15.4 system.
Anyone else have this happen?
Given the lack of progress finding a solution, I did a fresh installation of 15.5 in the space formerly occupied by 15.3. The forum thread has the latest status of 15.5, but I did some experimenting with 15.4 a while ago and have determined that for aplay to play .wav files without any switches, and for KDE3 system sounds (but not KControl test sound), neither arts nor jack is required, other than libjack0: # cat /etc/modprobe.d/99-local.conf alias snd-card-1 snd-hda-intel alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel id=PCH index=0 options snd-hda-intel id=HDMI index=1 # inxi -Aaz --vs --zl --hostname inxi 3.3.28-00 (2023-07-10) Audio: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 chip-ID: 8086:0c0c class-ID: 0403 Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:8c20 class-ID: 0403 API: ALSA v: k5.14.21-150400.24.69-default status: kernel-api with: 1: aoss type: oss-emulator 2: apulse type: pulse-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer Server-1: PulseAudio v: 15.0 status: off tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol # rpm -qa | egrep 'alsa|arts|audio|demult|gstr|jack|mix|pavu|puls|sof-|sound|vlc|wire|xdg' | sort > sndpkgs-msi85-s154-202307242345.txt alsa-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 alsa-firmware-1.2.4-1.41.noarch alsa-oss-1.1.8-150300.12.3.2.x86_64 alsa-plugins-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-oss-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-speexrate-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-plugins-upmix-1.2.6-150400.1.10.x86_64 alsa-topology-conf-1.2.5-150400.1.5.noarch alsa-ucm-conf-1.2.6.3-150400.1.4.noarch alsa-utils-1.2.6-150400.1.4.x86_64 apulse-0.1.13-bp154.1.41.x86_64 gstreamer-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 gstreamer-plugins-base-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kdemultimedia3-mixer-3.5.10.1-lp154.81.1.x86_64 kernel-firmware-sound-20220509-150400.4.16.1.noarch libasound2-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libasound2-32bit-1.2.6.1-150400.1.4.x86_64 libaudiofile1-0.3.6-3.7.10.x86_64 libgstaudio-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libgstreamer-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.5.x86_64 libgstriff-1_0-0-1.20.1-150400.1.9.x86_64 libjack0-1.9.12-150000.3.3.1.x86_64 libopenshot-audio8-0.2.2-bp154.1.36.x86_64 libpipewire-0_3-0-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libpulse0-32bit-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 libSDL_sound-1_0-1-1.0.3-bp154.1.132.x86_64 libvlc5-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libvlccore9-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 libwebrtc_audio_processing1-0.3-1.35.x86_64 libwireshark15-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 libwiretap12-3.6.14-150000.3.92.1.x86_64 lsof-4.91-1.11.x86_64 pavucontrol-5.0-150400.1.8.x86_64 pipewire-modules-0_3-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 pipewire-spa-plugins-0_2-0.3.49-150400.1.5.x86_64 pulseaudio-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 pulseaudio-setup-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 pulseaudio-utils-15.0-150400.2.10.x86_64 python3-pyxdg-0.26-1.21.noarch sof-firmware-2.0-150400.1.4.noarch sound-theme-freedesktop-0.8-150400.12.7.noarch system-user-pulse-15.0-150400.2.10.noarch vlc-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-codecs-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-noX-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-opencv-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 vlc-qt-3.0.18-150400.2.6.pm.1.x86_64 xdg-menu-0.2-1.23.noarch xdg-utils-1.1.3+20201113-150400.1.4.noarch yast2-sound-4.4.1-150400.1.6.x86_64 # systemctl --global --user status pulseaudio.{service,socket} ○ pulseaudio.service - Sound Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.service; enabled; vendor preset: disabled) Active: inactive (dead) TriggeredBy: ○ pulseaudio.socket Condition: start condition failed at Mon 2023-07-24 23:44:53 EDT; 2min 13s ago └─ ConditionUser=!root was not met Jul 24 23:44:53 00srv systemd[1051]: Condition check resulted in Sound Service being skipped. ○ pulseaudio.socket - Sound System Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pulseaudio.socket; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: inactive (dead) Triggers: ● pulseaudio.service Condition: start condition failed at Mon 2023-07-24 23:44:53 EDT; 2min 13s ago └─ ConditionUser=!root was not met Listen: /run/user/0/pulse/native (Stream) Jul 24 23:44:53 00srv systemd[1051]: Condition check resulted in Sound System being skipped. # aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/test.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo # OK analog, but nothing from web browsers, vlc, smplayer or mpv # pavucontrol claims no output devices Mental exhaustion set in before I could determine what it takes to make any other audio work. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
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