Le dimanche 30 août 2015, David C. Rankin a écrit :

On 08/10/2015 09:29 AM, Patrick Serru wrote:

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Hi All,

This is supposed to be a (little) bug description for Kate !

The last version of my sofware is not working and I dont understand why. So I renamed the directory containing the project, from …belcan/ to …_belcan_vX/, and I made a copy of a functionnal backup in …belcan/ .

Now, I openned the Kate session "containing" the files of the project*. Wanting to check visualy the différences, between the files, I "split" the window verticaly (right clicking in the bottom of kate window**) displaying …/belcan/Master.js, for exemple, then open the …/_belcan_vX/Master.js in the second part of the window. I then can see that the files are… identical ! Which I know is false, because I ran "diff" in a terminal !

Note that if I close Kate and reopen the project with the list of files still containing the …/_belcan_vX/ files, then the display is(are) correct.

Hoping that I have been clear, I thank you for the time you past reading this email, Patrick

Hi Patrick,

I think I understand. I've used kate for many, many, many years (since kde3.0 days). I have not seen the behavior you describe in kate, but I have seen what you describe after I split a window and forget to place the cursor in the other panel before clicking on the second file (i.e. …/_belcan_vX/Master.js in your case)

You know when you first split the window you have 2 views of the same file. You cannot simply check the bottom of the kate window for the filename (you will have the filename in the bottom of each panel in the window)

I think when you say "split the window vertically" you mean (ctrl+shift+t - split-horizontal) where you have one pane 'above' the other.

When you split-horizontal, you must left-click in the panel you want to open the file in to 'set the focus' to that panel (focus can be a little tricky). You then open the second file in that panel.

Since you are using a 'project' file to remember a collection of files, all files that are originally opening will be from your …/belcan/ directory. To split-horizontal and then view anything from your …/_belcan_vX/ directory, you will have to click in one of the panels and do File->open …/_belcan_vX/Master.js in the panel. You will then see Master.js and Master.js(2) in your documents list.

If you do NOT see Master.js and Master.js(2) in your documents list, then you have not opened the 2nd file and are in fact looking at the same file in both panels.

Sorry for the late reply, hope it helps.

-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

Hi David, I thank you for your response. I wrote that because I suppose that the basic source files of Kate are the same for KDE4, then supposing that this could happen too with the "more recent" version of that Window manager. But I dont use KDE4 so... This was not a real "bottle in the sea". As I wrote, it is quite easy to turn around. I could send a "bottle in the sea" when I will no longer be able to run KDE3 (on an updated system). I know that KDE3 is near death. But me too, so its not a problem, is it ? I regret that KMagnifier and more recently kDiff have disappeared from "pure" KDE3, but my contact with KDE4 were so traumatic since Oss_10.3 that seeing something with the number 4 in the list of missing packages makes me running away. I suppose that things of KDE3 will disappear little by little, and that at the end, KDE3 itself will disappear. That's life, isn't it ? Sincerly, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Le dimanche 30 août 2015, David C. Rankin a écrit :

On 08/30/2015 04:48 PM, Patrick Serru wrote:

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I know that KDE3 is near death. But me too, so its not a problem, is it ? I regret that KMagnifier and more recently kDiff have disappeared from "pure" KDE3, but my contact with KDE4 were so traumatic since Oss_10.3 that seeing something with the number 4 in the list of missing packages makes me running away. I suppose that things of KDE3 will disappear little by little, and that at the end, KDE3 itself will disappear. That's life, isn't it ?

Oh NO, NO, NO

KDE3 is not near death. It is a fantastic desktop that will live on and on. It only takes the continued dedication of Ilya and Serghei to build it for opensuse. The only challenge kde3 faces on opensuse is a patch when ConsoleKit is no longer provided. (ConsoleKit is still part of the base release in 13.2). The only challenge then is to patch kdm to provide user session tracking in a pure-systemd environment. (KDE3 runs perfectly in a pure-systemd environment without ConsoleKit, the only issue is kdeioslave processes are not killed by the system when the user closes the application (or instance of the process).

Ilya has done a fantastic job with kde3 and the sources are in good shape. An alternative is the Trinity desktop (which is kde3 but with a few changes to install it as TDE instead of KDE).

There is still a lot of life left in KDE3. There is no alternative that provides such a robust set of applications in as clean and small of a footprint as KDE3 uses. I have built trinity for Archlinux for the past several years (I met Serghei on the trinity list). The continuation of KDE on opensuse has taken a very clean and straightforward path compared to some of the naming decisions made on the trinity project. This clean preservation of KDE3 should always be preserved for opensuse.

-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

God and some engeeniers of Open Suse hear you ! It is rather good news. Curiusly, I just received (and some of you too, I guess) a [trinity-announce] mail: Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.1 Released!. An other good news. The project had been looking dead for a wile, so long that I unsubscribed the mailing list. There were some little "user's" bugs in it that made it unusable to me. I decided to stay with KDE3 as long as possible. Thanks again, to you, Serghei Ilya and Mark Goldstein too. Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org