Hi David, I will take you at your word :-) As a matter of fact, I was very happy with 11.1 for a very long while - thanks to Evergreen - but then finally it was time for an update. Unfortunately with 12.1 then I had bad luck - no Evergreen support - I simlpy hate these short life times. Anyway, currently I am living with a KDE3 where a number of things that are really annoying, and i fear the will be more and more. The kmail IMAP issue which was the reason I joined this list 2 1/2 years ago seems to have been solved according to a mesage from Serghei some time ago, but I'm still not sure if it has actually been implemented. So, an I finally install 64 bit woithout running into this again? It drives me nuts that I have to go to nm-applet in superuser mode each time I want to use my mobile device or connect to an unknown wireless network. knetworkmanager is something I would consider as essential. The same applies to kpowersave. It took me ages to get the HAL-enabled version in 12.1 running, and still it seems that kpowersave is lacking half of its functionality and seems not to do what it should. The battery of my laptop is down after less than an hour although any energy saving option available is chosen, while in those rare cases I switch to Windows, I have a 3 hour battery lifetime. So I need something that does this job properly as well - does it exist? Best regards Carolin On Sunday 31 August 2014 01:52:13 David C. Rankin wrote:
On 08/30/2014 02:43 PM, Carolin Liefke wrote:
I would actually like to ask more directly: Do we (meaning people like me, i.e. users without deeper programming knowlegde and thus lacking the ability to contribute to keep KDE3 up to date but who simply would love to have the possibility to use it) have to expect that the time of having this beloved WM available will soon come to an end?
No, it will not die -- there are relatively minor issues that need patching/fixing to bring kde3 up to date. The only vexing issue right now is "User Session Tracking in absence of consolekit" which will break kde3 in a pure-systemd environment. As long as opensuse continues to provide console kit, that issue can wait until TDE implements a fix. (see: http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1998)
What we have is a "man-power" problem. It takes significant time and effort to stay abreast of the libc and 3rd party library changes and developing patches for kde3. Thankfully, much has been done and kde3 is in pretty good shape right now. What is needed, as with any project, is users/developers willing to communicate and coordinate so that the work can be spread across a number of folks so no one person is drowning in work (real-world work and kde3 work)
Of course this community is small (last but not least because so few people know that KDE3 still exists), and the packages which work become less and less with every opensuse release because it simply requires much more time than Ilya and others are able and/or willing to spend on this.
I'll throw my hat in the ring -- what we need is to coordinate and setup a group buildservice project and provide access to those who want to help with patches, etc, but we need 1 person who has the time and technical ability to 'manage' the project and review/approve/help with patches, etc.
Anyway, I need to know at some point what to do. My current operating system is outdated for months now because I fear the effects an update on the latest opensuse release will have on KDE3. But please Ilya et al, tell me/us if it's time to search for alternatives. And make a cutoff when it is clear that it is impossible to maintain a stable version that provides at least basic functionalities.
Just my 2 cents, Carolin
Carolin,
13.1 with kde3 if fine. (well worth the update/install) I just moved 11.4 to 13.1 due to a dying hard drive and I have no complaints. Ilya, Kyrill and the rest have done a great job. There are just a number of normal bugs that need patching (as with any release) and we need to come together and decide how we need to coordinate this. I'm open to suggestions.
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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