Hi, new to the list, just tried to run kde3 in 11.4, succeeded doing so on both desktop and laptop:) both installs started with only an xfce install and a taboo on kdm and libstrigi, everything i want works *very* well:) trivia pointer, Dell's bcm4312 wifi works much better with the wl driver and makes wicd just fly in wifi connecting:). one item that could be improved, actually it probably is but i can't find it, is the logout options: On both the desktop and laptop, clicking on the leave button only pops up the "close session" option, there is no reboot or shutdown or suspend or hibernate option. how do these options go back in? thanks, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org