ok, hit a bit of a snag, mostly because i am set in my old ways and i am a bit too lazy to reinstall 11.4 and then kde3 on top of it. The way i have been upgrading my systems has always been to install a clean version in a "spare" partition, then, if everything worked, I would rename the /home dir in the new partition to something other than /home, then i would add an entry in fstab pointing to the old /home, then gathered up all the hidden folders of each user in a safe folder, copied the corresponding hidden folders from the new system to the old and rebooted. this seems to fail now. on my laptop i get the error that the system can not find kstartupconfig, an executable in /opt/kde3/bin. on the desktop i get the same message, plus the old /home partition fails to mount, with the error "mount needs hal". manual mounting to a dir does work. any workarounds? tia d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org