On 2014-08-30 21:43 (GMT+0200) Carolin Liefke composed:
I would actually like to ask more directly: Do we (meaning people like me, i.e. users without deeper programming knowlegde and thus lacking the ability to contribute to keep KDE3 up to date but who simply would love to have the possibility to use it) have to expect that the time of having this beloved WM available will soon come to an end?
Yes, and no...
Of course this community is small (last but not least because so few people know that KDE3 still exists), and the packages which work become less and less with every opensuse release because it simply requires much more time than Ilya and others are able and/or willing to spend on this.
Anyway, I need to know at some point what to do. My current operating system is outdated for months now because I fear the effects an update on the latest opensuse release will have on KDE3. But please Ilya et al, tell me/us if it's time to search for alternatives. And make a cutoff when it is clear that it is impossible to maintain a stable version that provides at least basic functionalities.
Given all the recent comments from David Rankin on the opensuse English support list, and others here and elsewhere, I fear the practical cutoff point was already reached by the time 13.1 release was announced. IMO the reason so few people are contributing to openSUSE's KDE3 is because upstream KDE3 was forked, and many resources outside of openSUSE that might have kept KDE3 as KDE3 alive and kicking have been diverted to the fork. Since the fork is provided for openSUSE releases as well as other major distros, it seems like devoting resources to KDE3 amounts to a pointless dead end. It seems the only reasons to continue with KDE3 instead of the fork has to do with some combination of: 1-not having the fork available directly through openSUSE's own repositories 2-relative sloth of the fork's repositories 3-relative sloth of updates getting into the fork's repositories 4-relative sloth of the fork's web docs 5-not available from openSUSE installation media (something else is required to set the stage for installing the fork 6-inconsistent accessibility of the fork's repositories (few/no mirrors, excessive downtime) NAICT, all KDE3's own virtues remain in the fork, plus the fork gets the fixes required to work with the evolving foundations, such as systemd and the myriad of changes systemd has caused to X. I have Trinity (the fork) installed on a couple of test systems, and expect at the time I'm finally forced to give up on Evergreen and move to 13.1 on this 24/7 system that I will choose TDE instead of KDE3. Possibly that may ultimately mean skipping over 13.1 to 13.2, though with the plan for 13.1 to become the next Evergreen I expect not. https://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/OpenSUSEBinaryIns... -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org