Yesterday I did a 32 bit minimal server M2 install. After booting it a couple of times I went about ad hoc addition of KDE3. After doing zypper in to enough KDE3 packages that I thought startx should open KDE3[1], I found virtually none of Xorg had been pulled. I also found that /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager and windowmanager hadn't been touched by adding KDE3 packages, which I changed from xdm & twm with MC to kdm & kde. Once startx did get a KDE3 desktop up, most of what should have been in the main starter menu was missing, system settings in particular. I noted this in my installation success announcement post on the opensuse-factory list, including log from KCrash handler. Thinking there must be some bug, I went about doing unrelated things (nothing involving installing X related or KDE related packages), exiting KDE3 and reopening it at least once. Then in the process of doing other things I rebooted. On next KDE3 open, the missing starter menu items were all there, and KDE3 as I need it all seems to work, while nothing GTK or KDE4 that isn't a hard dep is littering the installation or filling up my / partition. :-) [1] .bash_history excerpts (apparently excludes entries made from Konsole instead of runlevel 3): zypper in kdebase3-kdm rpmqa session zypper se session zypper in kdebase3-session rpmqa kd zypper in kdebase3-SuSE kdebase3-apps kdeutils3 kdegraphics3 kde3-kcm_gtk kdeadmin3 kdeaddons3-kicker kdeaddons3-konqueror kde3-gwenview kdenetwork3-IRC MozillaFirefox seamonkey-irc SuSEconfig startx rpmqa x11 zypper in dbus-1-x11 x11-tools xorg-x11-driver-input xorg-x11-driver-video xorg-x11-server rpmqa font zypper in droid-fonts liberation-fonts dejavu xorg-x11-fonts startx rpmqa qt zypper in yast2-control-center-qt3 zypper se settings zypper in systemsettings-kde3 rpmqa kd zypper in kdeaddons3-sound kdemultimedia3-mixer zypper in kdemultimedia3 startx -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org