Split devel and a "backports" project

Michal Vyskocil

12 Jul 2012 12 Jul '12

14:04

Hallo, I've got a request from Frank to add CentOS, Mandriva and openSUSE 11.4 into Java:packages. I personally do not like this idea - J:p is intended to be a devel project for Factory. On the other hand, there might be someone will be interested and will take a care. And I don't want to block our community from that. So I am thinking about following concept 1.) create new Java:Factory project -> this will be the devel project for Factory, so only openSUSE_Factory repository will be added 2.) make project link [1] from Java:Factory - Java:???. In this project more targets can be enabled and it can have more maintainers taking a care about such distributions. 3.) the changes in Java:??? will be submitted back to :Factory. If not, then :??? project won't be synced with :Factory. This is a responsibility of those will do the change. I'm waiting on a comments, especially some nice name instead of ???, which is probably not allowed in OBS ;-) [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Concept_project_linking Regards Michal Vyskocil

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todd rme

12 Jul 12 Jul

14:19

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Split devel and a "backports" project

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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Hallo,

I've got a request from Frank to add CentOS, Mandriva and openSUSE 11.4 into Java:packages. I personally do not like this idea - J:p is intended to be a devel project for Factory. On the other hand, there might be someone will be interested and will take a care. And I don't want to block our community from that. So I am thinking about following concept

1.) create new Java:Factory project -> this will be the devel project for Factory, so only openSUSE_Factory repository will be added

2.) make project link [1] from Java:Factory - Java:???. In this project more targets can be enabled and it can have more maintainers taking a care about such distributions.

3.) the changes in Java:??? will be submitted back to :Factory. If not, then :??? project won't be synced with :Factory. This is a responsibility of those will do the change.

I'm waiting on a comments, especially some nice name instead of ???, which is probably not allowed in OBS ;-)

[1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Concept_project_linking

Regards Michal Vyskocil

We already use devel:languages:____ for many other programming languages. Is there a reason using this would not work for Java as well? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-java+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-java+owner@opensuse.org

Archie Cobbs

16:35

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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I've got a request from Frank to add CentOS, Mandriva and openSUSE 11.4 into Java:packages. I personally do not like this idea - J:p is intended to be a devel project for Factory. On the other hand, there might be someone will be interested and will take a care. And I don't want to block our community from that. So I am thinking about following concept

1.) create new Java:Factory project -> this will be the devel project for Factory, so only openSUSE_Factory repository will be added

Dumb question: why not just keep a single project and set CentOS, etc. builds to disabled (possibly by default?) for packages that don't properly build under those distributions? Is the worry that with a single project, people porting to other distributions and people updating for factory will step on each others' toes? -Archie -- Archie L. Cobbs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-java+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-java+owner@opensuse.org

Michal Vyskocil

13 Jul 13 Jul

07:19

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:35:28AM -0500, Archie Cobbs wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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I've got a request from Frank to add CentOS, Mandriva and openSUSE 11.4 into Java:packages. I personally do not like this idea - J:p is intended to be a devel project for Factory. On the other hand, there might be someone will be interested and will take a care. And I don't want to block our community from that. So I am thinking about following concept

1.) create new Java:Factory project -> this will be the devel project for Factory, so only openSUSE_Factory repository will be added

Dumb question: why not just keep a single project and set CentOS, etc. builds to disabled (possibly by default?) for packages that don't properly build under those distributions?

Hallo, that is not a dumb question, but perfectly valid one! Let me collect my reasons for that * I am lazy, so I don't want to filter the non Factory results from package states * I cannot remove the repositories, because BS sucks - it won't allow you as a project maintainer to change it in a case if someone did a branch from it* * and I really do not care about fails in non Factory project - for instance, when porting Factory to jdk7, I've simply disabled sle11, and openSUSE targets * the split makes the purpose of the projects clear - this one is a devel one, that one is for those willing to use most recent software on other distributions * and I am not convinced, that adding more maintainers to one project is the right way to go - on the other hand I do not want to block interested people just for my lazyness

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Is the worry that with a single project, people porting to other distributions and people updating for factory will step on each others' toes?

Basically not, because I am the major contributor and I do what I want to ;-) But in general, that can be a case as well. @Frank: to make a situation a less academic, it will be good to know if you will want to work in such layout? IOW contribute CentOS and Mandriva related changes through Java:Backports project? * and no, emaling people do not help Regards Michal Vyskocil

Manfred Riem

13:44

Just not to muddy the waters, but I think the best way would just have jdk7 available and let the Java developers worry about their the rest. Or am I misunderstanding this? Manfred -----Original Message----- From: Michal Vyskocil [mailto:mvyskocil@suse.cz] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:20 AM To: Archie Cobbs Cc: opensuse-java@opensuse.org; F.Schuette@t-online.de; opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-java] Split devel and a "backports" project On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:35:28AM -0500, Archie Cobbs wrote:

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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I've got a request from Frank to add CentOS, Mandriva and openSUSE 11.4 into Java:packages. I personally do not like this idea - J:p is intended to be a devel project for Factory. On the other hand, there might be someone will be interested and will take a care. And I don't want to block our community from that. So I am thinking about following concept

1.) create new Java:Factory project -> this will be the devel project for Factory, so only openSUSE_Factory repository will be added

Dumb question: why not just keep a single project and set CentOS, etc. builds to disabled (possibly by default?) for packages that don't properly build under those distributions?

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Is the worry that with a single project, people porting to other distributions and people updating for factory will step on each others' toes?

Archie Cobbs

14:36

Thanks Michal for the thoughtful reply.... having maintained various other projects, I especially agree with this part: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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Basically not, because I am the major contributor and I do what I want to ;-)

Keep up the good work! :) Thanks, -Archie -- Archie L. Cobbs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-java+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-java+owner@opensuse.org

Lars Müller

19 Jul 19 Jul

18:08

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Split devel and a "backports" project

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 09:19:32AM +0200, Michal Vyskocil wrote: [ 8< ]

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* I cannot remove the repositories, because BS sucks

tststs. What harsh words for our beloved beast. :)

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- it won't allow you as a project maintainer to change it in a case if someone did a branch from it*

Are you sure you arn't able to ignore this and force your commit? Nevertheless you're right mailing each branch maintainer doesn't work. Can you please file a bug report and add a pointer to this thread, in particular your reply to let the OBS developers know about it? Please also report the bug ID back to the list. Cheers, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany

Michal Vyskocil

20 Jul 20 Jul

07:19

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Split devel and a "backports" project

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 08:08:24PM +0200, Lars Müller wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 09:19:32AM +0200, Michal Vyskocil wrote: [ 8< ]

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* I cannot remove the repositories, because BS sucks

tststs. What harsh words for our beloved beast. :)

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- it won't allow you as a project maintainer to change it in a case if someone did a branch from it*

Hallo Lars,

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Are you sure you arn't able to ignore this and force your commit?

at least using webui and osc, I'm sure there's no "force" button. I would say this is enforced on a API level.

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Nevertheless you're right mailing each branch maintainer doesn't work. Can you please file a bug report and add a pointer to this thread, in particular your reply to let the OBS developers know about it?

Please also report the bug ID back to the list.

that was a very valid point, thank you. I'm ashamed I did not report it before :( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=772342 Regards Michal Vyskocil

Duncan Mac-Vicar P.

19 Apr 19 Apr

07:27

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Split devel and a "backports" project

On 13/07/12 09:19, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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* I cannot remove the repositories, because BS sucks - it won't allow you as a project maintainer to change it in a case if someone did a branch from it*

I think this is no longer the case and you can force it. -- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-java+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-java+owner@opensuse.org

Michal Vyskocil

07:57

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Split devel and a "backports" project

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:27:26AM +0200, Duncan Mac-Vicar P. wrote:

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On 13/07/12 09:19, Michal Vyskocil wrote:

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* I cannot remove the repositories, because BS sucks - it won't allow you as a project maintainer to change it in a case if someone did a branch from it*

I think this is no longer the case and you can force it.

Sure, the osc meta prj -f -e will made the job. I don't know if webui has a button for it, as I don't use it that often. Regards Michal Vyskocil

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-- Duncan Mac-Vicar P. - http://www.suse.com/

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