[heroes] openSUSE Heroes Meeting in Nuremberg
Hi Just want to give you an update about the organization of our openSUSE Heroes meeting, scheduled for: Friday, 2016-12-02 until Sunday, 2016-12-04 in the SUSE Headquarter at: SUSE LINUX GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg ------------------------------- I've Hotel reservations for 3 people from Friday until Sunday at http://www.duerer-hotel.de/. As our central "All-Hands Area" is currently under construction, we might end up in one of the normal meeting rooms, but I hope that's ok. I'm working on some appetizers, which seems to be very complicated during a weekend - but I'm sure nobody will leave the event hungry or thirsty. ;-) ------------------------------- The main plan at the moment is to * getting familiar with SUSE IT and the openSUSE Setup * know each other better * "Get things done" So while I also plan at least a visit of the Nuremberg Server Room with the openSUSE machines and a side visit at the Christkindles-Market, there will be plenty of time (and work) for everyone to bring the openSUSE infrastructure into a good shape. Please: bring your own Laptop to the meeting or tell me in front if you need one. WLAN is available in the office - if needed, I can also ask for wired LAN. Things we might put on the table: * SaltStack training * SUSE Cloud training * Packaging workshop * Ticket wrangling * Securing our infrastructure * Documenting our infrastructure * Discuss and decide about policies * ...? (write your idea here) At the moment, I'm planning with a maximum of 10 people. We might get two visitors during our time (I bet during lunch or dinner ;-) - maybe more. I'm unsure where to put the Orga stuff (progress.o.o: ticket or wiki page?) any hints welcome! with kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:43:06PM +0200, Lars Vogdt wrote:
I'm unsure where to put the Orga stuff (progress.o.o: ticket or wiki page?) any hints welcome!
Thanks for organizing it! I have created the structure for our meeting summaries/logs in the progress.o.o/opensuse-admin wiki [1] and the (currently empty) page for this upcoming meeting [2] [1] https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/wiki#Meetings [2] https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/wiki/Meeting_20161202_... -- Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@opensuse.org> <tchatzimichos@suse.com> System Administrator SUSE Operations and Services Team
Looks great! I hope I can be there, but unfortunately it's not possible. Just want to say hi to every heros who will go to meeting. On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 03:43:06PM +0200, Lars Vogdt wrote:
Hi
Just want to give you an update about the organization of our openSUSE Heroes meeting, scheduled for:
Friday, 2016-12-02 until Sunday, 2016-12-04
in the SUSE Headquarter at: SUSE LINUX GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg
-------------------------------
I've Hotel reservations for 3 people from Friday until Sunday at http://www.duerer-hotel.de/.
As our central "All-Hands Area" is currently under construction, we might end up in one of the normal meeting rooms, but I hope that's ok.
I'm working on some appetizers, which seems to be very complicated during a weekend - but I'm sure nobody will leave the event hungry or thirsty. ;-)
-------------------------------
The main plan at the moment is to * getting familiar with SUSE IT and the openSUSE Setup * know each other better * "Get things done"
So while I also plan at least a visit of the Nuremberg Server Room with the openSUSE machines and a side visit at the Christkindles-Market, there will be plenty of time (and work) for everyone to bring the openSUSE infrastructure into a good shape.
Please: bring your own Laptop to the meeting or tell me in front if you need one. WLAN is available in the office - if needed, I can also ask for wired LAN.
Things we might put on the table: * SaltStack training * SUSE Cloud training * Packaging workshop * Ticket wrangling * Securing our infrastructure * Documenting our infrastructure * Discuss and decide about policies * ...? (write your idea here)
At the moment, I'm planning with a maximum of 10 people. We might get two visitors during our time (I bet during lunch or dinner ;-) - maybe more.
I'm unsure where to put the Orga stuff (progress.o.o: ticket or wiki page?) any hints welcome!
with kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
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Lars Vogdt wrote:
The main plan at the moment is to * getting familiar with SUSE IT and the openSUSE Setup * know each other better * "Get things done"
I can't participate (my wife in in Thessaloniki visiting the family), but I'd like to table a proposal - the mlmmj mailing list driver is really a bit antiquated. Our current setup has a few things that need fixing, which I could do, but I would much rather spend the effort on switching to mailman instead. Setting it up would be fairly straight forward, I've done it more than once, and lists could be slowly migrated for testing and customizing. If you know mailman, the advantages are obvious, but I'm putting it up for discussion in case there is some (unknown to me) reason why we are using mlmmj. One really significant advantage of mailman over mlmmj is that other people use it too. The mlmmj user community is kind of small. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Per Sad not to have you in Nuremberg, but I think/hope we will do such meetings on a regular base in future. (Something we should discuss during the meeting - my proposal would be a quarterly based meeting in the beginning and see how much we need later.) On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 12:22:41 +0200 Per Jessen wrote:
the mlmmj mailing list driver is really a bit antiquated. Our current setup has a few things that need fixing, which I could do, but I would much rather spend the effort on switching to mailman instead.
In the past, there were some vulnerabilities in Mailman - mlmmj was considered more "secure" (which also might be related to the smaller user base).
Setting it up would be fairly straight forward, I've done it more than once, and lists could be slowly migrated for testing and customizing.
The main point is IMHO the transparency for the users: * Mailing list archives should be at the same location (and searchable) - but as we use Mhonarc in the backend already, I do not see a reason why this should not be possible * Mailing list management (the foo+subscribe@opensuse.org etc) might become interesting, as mailman handles (un)subscriptions a bit different. At least for an announced period of time, I would recommend to support the "old mlmmj format" as well.
If you know mailman, the advantages are obvious, but I'm putting it up for discussion in case there is some (unknown to me) reason why we are using mlmmj.
One really significant advantage of mailman over mlmmj is that other people use it too. The mlmmj user community is kind of small.
Questions: * are you speaking about the new Mailman 3 version - or the old fashioned, soon to be obsoleted, version 2? (I know that 2.1.23 is considered stable at the moment, and I know the "history" of mailman 3 very well - but I would recommend the 3x version to a) show how future driven openSUSE is and b) to avoid one migration step in the near future) * Setting up a VM for you for testing the new setup should not be a big deal. Should we already setup a new machine for you ? Requirements? With kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Lars Vogdt wrote:
Hi Per
Sad not to have you in Nuremberg, but I think/hope we will do such meetings on a regular base in future. (Something we should discuss during the meeting - my proposal would be a quarterly based meeting in the beginning and see how much we need later.)
Nuernberg is about 5 hours drive away, 6 hours by train, that's manageable.
Setting it up would be fairly straight forward, I've done it more than once, and lists could be slowly migrated for testing and customizing.
The main point is IMHO the transparency for the users: * Mailing list archives should be at the same location (and searchable) - but as we use Mhonarc in the backend already, I do not see a reason why this should not be possible * Mailing list management (the foo+subscribe@opensuse.org etc) might become interesting, as mailman handles (un)subscriptions a bit different. At least for an announced period of time, I would recommend to support the "old mlmmj format" as well.
Absolutely, I would hope/aim for virtually zero impact on the user. The list management addresses should not be a problem; mlmmj uses '+' as a separator, mailman uses '-', but it's not hardcoded, it can be changed with the aliases. I would probably want to go with the mailman default, and retain support for the mlmmj format by aliasing.
If you know mailman, the advantages are obvious, but I'm putting it up for discussion in case there is some (unknown to me) reason why we are using mlmmj.
One really significant advantage of mailman over mlmmj is that other people use it too. The mlmmj user community is kind of small.
Questions: * are you speaking about the new Mailman 3 version - or the old fashioned, soon to be obsoleted, version 2? (I know that 2.1.23 is considered stable at the moment, and I know the "history" of mailman 3 very well - but I would recommend the 3x version to a) show how future driven openSUSE is and b) to avoid one migration step in the near future)
I was thinking mm2 (which I know very well), but I agree it would be nice to go for mm3. It would also mean more work though - running/ hosting django on the webserver for instance.
* Setting up a VM for you for testing the new setup should not be a big deal. Should we already setup a new machine for you ? Requirements?
I have not looked at it in any detail, but my first thought was to just run mlmmj and mailman2 in parallel on baloo. That way a single list can easily be diverted to mailman for testing. We'll also have to consider the integration of the web-pages - http://lists.opensuse.org would become more than an archive. Gruss Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Am 21. Oktober 2016 18:23:00 MESZ, schrieb Per Jessen <per@computer.org>:
Lars Vogdt wrote:
* Setting up a VM for you for testing the new setup should not be a big deal. Should we already setup a new machine for you ? Requirements?
I have not looked at it in any detail, but my first thought was to just run mlmmj and mailman2 in parallel on baloo. That way a single list can easily be diverted to mailman for testing. We'll also have to consider the integration of the web-pages - http://lists.opensuse.org would become more than an archive.
Mixing up environments is something I strongly avoid on all my machines. As a virtual machine can be fired up for nearly no costs, I do not even see one reason to risk a productive system. You might also consider the decision to use Leap as base system in the future, which might make it an interesting challenge if you want to "migrate" baloo. But you are the admin - so it's your decision. With kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Lars Vogdt wrote:
Am 21. Oktober 2016 18:23:00 MESZ, schrieb Per Jessen <per@computer.org>:
Lars Vogdt wrote:
* Setting up a VM for you for testing the new setup should not be a big deal. Should we already setup a new machine for you ? Requirements?
I have not looked at it in any detail, but my first thought was to just run mlmmj and mailman2 in parallel on baloo. That way a single list can easily be diverted to mailman for testing. We'll also have to consider the integration of the web-pages - http://lists.opensuse.org would become more than an archive.
Mixing up environments is something I strongly avoid on all my machines. As a virtual machine can be fired up for nearly no costs, I do not even see one reason to risk a productive system. You might also consider the decision to use Leap as base system in the future, which might make it an interesting challenge if you want to "migrate" baloo.
That's a good point. Okay, can you set up a VM for me : - Leap42[12] - I think 422 would be good. - 1 CPU - 2Gb RAM. - external name - lists6? I probably won't have time to look at this for 1-2 weeks, so it's not urgent. Thanks Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 09:47:38AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Okay, can you set up a VM for me :
- Leap42[12] - I think 422 would be good. - 1 CPU - 2Gb RAM. - external name - lists6?
I probably won't have time to look at this for 1-2 weeks, so it's not urgent.
I'll handle this - it is the third service that is needed to get migrated to leap from scratch btw -- Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@opensuse.org> <tchatzimichos@suse.com> System Administrator SUSE Operations and Services Team
Hello everyone, The meeting is going to be this week, so I would like to quickly check some facts. :)
On October 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt@suse.com> wrote: Just want to give you an update about the organization of our openSUSE Heroes meeting, scheduled for:
Friday, 2016-12-02 until Sunday, 2016-12-04
When would you like to start? I'll be in Nuremberg on Friday at 7am and my train back departs on Sunday at 9pm.
I've Hotel reservations for 3 people from Friday until Sunday at http://www.duerer-hotel.de/.
Who are the reservations for? Am I included? Otherwise I'd kindly ask Sarah if she can host ma again for the weekend. :)
Please: bring your own Laptop to the meeting or tell me in front if you need one. WLAN is available in the office - if needed, I can also ask for wired LAN.
Sure, I'll bring my buddy along. =)
Things we might put on the table: * SaltStack training * SUSE Cloud training * Packaging workshop * Ticket wrangling * Securing our infrastructure * Documenting our infrastructure * Discuss and decide about policies * ...? (write your idea here)
A big +1 for packaging, that's what I'm mostly excited about! Documentation should be the main goal imho. If we have good documentation, anyone will be able to do anything, basically. :) Cheers from Düsseldorf! Daniel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Daniel Am Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:26:50 +0100 (CET) schrieb Daniel Maslowski <info@orangecms.org>:
The meeting is going to be this week, so I would like to quickly check some facts. :)
Huch! ;-)
On October 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt@suse.com> wrote: Just want to give you an update about the organization of our openSUSE Heroes meeting, scheduled for:
Friday, 2016-12-02 until Sunday, 2016-12-04
When would you like to start? I'll be in Nuremberg on Friday at 7am and my train back departs on Sunday at 9pm.
I'm more or less open to anything - while I have to admit that 7am is too early for me :-( I'll be in the office around 09:00 - soonest 08:30. Let me clarify with our reception if they can assign a meeting room for the early birds.
I've Hotel reservations for 3 people from Friday until Sunday at http://www.duerer-hotel.de/.
Who are the reservations for? Am I included? Otherwise I'd kindly ask Sarah if she can host ma again for the weekend. :)
Will also do the final check tomorrow. So far I asked for reservations for: * Daniel * Christian * Theodoros
Things we might put on the table: * SaltStack training * SUSE Cloud training * Packaging workshop * Ticket wrangling * Securing our infrastructure * Documenting our infrastructure * Discuss and decide about policies * ...? (write your idea here)
A big +1 for packaging, that's what I'm mostly excited about! Documentation should be the main goal imho. If we have good documentation, anyone will be able to do anything, basically. :)
Packaging should not be a big problem ;-) We can start even on Friday morning already, depending on the arrival time of the others. I would set a start time for the meeting once we get some more feedback, if you agree... CU in Nürnberg! Lars -- Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt@suse.com> - DevOPS Engineering Team Lead - SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Montag, 28. November 2016, 22:19:47 CET schrieb Lars Vogdt:
Am Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:26:50 +0100 (CET) schrieb Daniel Maslowski <info@orangecms.org>:
The meeting is going to be this week, so I would like to quickly check some facts. :)
Huch! ;-)
Jaja. "Weihnachten kommt immer so plötzlich!" ;-) (for those who don't understand german: this means "christmas always springs up suddenly", but it looses a bit in the translation)
On October 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt@suse.com> wrote: Just want to give you an update about the organization of our openSUSE Heroes meeting, scheduled for:
Friday, 2016-12-02 until Sunday, 2016-12-04
When would you like to start? I'll be in Nuremberg on Friday at 7am and my train back departs on Sunday at 9pm.
As Lars said - http://bit.ly/2fuUh5K ;-) My current plan is to arrive around 10am, but if I'd be the last one, I can start earlier (but I won't arrive at 7am ;-) Driving back at 9pm (or even later) sounds good. BTW: Are there some free or cheap parking lots near the SUSE office, or should I park at a P&R (any recommendations?) and take the underground?
Things we might put on the table: * SaltStack training * SUSE Cloud training * Packaging workshop * Ticket wrangling * Securing our infrastructure * Documenting our infrastructure
Unless Lars wants to do write all the documentation, it would be helpful to get to know something about the infrastructure first ;-) This should also include a list of all *.opensuse.org subdomains and services. (Please don't simply post a list. This could become a funny "can we name them all?" game ;-) - start writing your cheat sheets *now*.)
* Discuss and decide about policies
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Infrastructure_policy has some basics we might use as a start.
* ...? (write your idea here)
Let me add some ideas (not only mine) from some old mails: * clarify contact persons and responsibilities * distribute tasks * guided tour to the SUSE datacenter in Nurenberg ;-)
A big +1 for packaging, that's what I'm mostly excited about!
If you want to start with some simple, boring and on-topic examples, you might want to look at https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:cboltz:infra (Getting the Maps extension packaged was funny[tm] - composer isn't too packaging-friendly...) BTW: The MediaWiki search switched from Lucene to Elasticsearch. Does one of you have experience with it? If so, I'd welcome an Elasticsearch crash course ;-) I found Elasticsearch packages in the OBS in security:logging, so at least getting it installed should be easy.
Documentation should be the main goal imho. If we have good documentation, anyone will be able to do anything, basically. :)
Let me warn you that I'll remind you to your words one day ;-)
We can start even on Friday morning already, depending on the arrival time of the others. I would set a start time for the meeting once we get some more feedback, if you agree...
Agreed ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ich weiß nicht, wieso ihr euch so echauffiert. Die Warnung ist doch wirklich deutlich zu lesen auf der Packung. Da steht in großen, deutlichen Lettern: "Microsoft". NATÜRLICH funktioniert das nicht. Mehr als warnen können sie euch nicht. [Fefe in de.alt.sysadmin.recovery] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, I thought we would start in the evening... Am Montag, den 28.11.2016, 22:19 +0100 schrieb Lars Vogdt:
Hi Daniel
Am Mon, 28 Nov 2016 21:26:50 +0100 (CET) schrieb Daniel Maslowski <info@orangecms.org>:
The meeting is going to be this week, so I would like to quickly check some facts. :)
Huch! ;-)
On October 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt@suse.com> wrote: Just want to give you an update about the organization of our openSUSE Heroes meeting, scheduled for:
Friday, 2016-12-02 until Sunday, 2016-12-04
When would you like to start? I'll be in Nuremberg on Friday at 7am and my train back departs on Sunday at 9pm.
I'm more or less open to anything - while I have to admit that 7am is too early for me :-( I'll be in the office around 09:00 - soonest 08:30. Let me clarify with our reception if they can assign a meeting room for the early birds.
I have to be at ownCloud in the morning. After that I wanted to go to the university (11:00 - 15:30). I can provide a small insight into our technical university with Programming I (Introduction to OOP) and Software Engineering (Introduction to UML and Agile Working). But I can change the company at 11:00, too. ;-) When do you want to start?
I've Hotel reservations for 3 people from Friday until Sunday at http://www.duerer-hotel.de/. ;
Who are the reservations for? Am I included? Otherwise I'd kindly ask Sarah if she can host ma again for the weekend. :)
Will also do the final check tomorrow. So far I asked for reservations for: * Daniel * Christian * Theodoros
Things we might put on the table: * SaltStack training * SUSE Cloud training * Packaging workshop * Ticket wrangling * Securing our infrastructure * Documenting our infrastructure * Discuss and decide about policies * ...? (write your idea here)
A big +1 for packaging, that's what I'm mostly excited about! Documentation should be the main goal imho. If we have good documentation, anyone will be able to do anything, basically. :)
Packaging should not be a big problem ;-) We can start even on Friday morning already, depending on the arrival time of the others. I would set a start time for the meeting once we get some more feedback, if you agree...
CU in Nürnberg! Lars
Best regards, Sarah -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
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