Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that. There is currently about 70 messages in the held queue, some also from known people, just from non-subscribed addresses. It is surely better if people are notified in such cases? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.3°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
Per Jessen composed on 2022-04-06 09:35 (UTC+0200):
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that. There is currently about 70 messages in the held queue, some also from known people, just from non-subscribed addresses. It is surely better if people are notified in such cases?
Notified of what, how to subscribe? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Felix Miata wrote:
Per Jessen composed on 2022-04-06 09:35 (UTC+0200):
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that. There is currently about 70 messages in the held queue, some also from known people, just from non-subscribed addresses. It is surely better if people are notified in such cases?
Notified of what, how to subscribe?
Sorry - notified that the list is for subscribers only. Better than a post just going into a black hole (which is the current situation). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
On 4/6/22 17:05, Per Jessen wrote:
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that. There is currently about 70 messages in the held queue, some also from known people, just from non-subscribed addresses. It is surely better if people are notified in such cases?
I guess regularly monitoring and approving the posts from known people would be a better solution, but given the amount of spam some lists get this can take a fair amount of someones time. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
Simon Lees wrote:
On 4/6/22 17:05, Per Jessen wrote:
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that. There is currently about 70 messages in the held queue, some also from known people, just from non-subscribed addresses. It is surely better if people are notified in such cases?
I guess regularly monitoring and approving the posts from known people would be a better solution, but given the amount of spam some lists get this can take a fair amount of someones time.
Yes, that is exactly the point. I have just spent the better part of three days clearing out held messages, from all lists. I started out with more than 20'000 :-( The Heroes list is a very "mild" case, but the problem is the same as everywhere else. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
Hi On 4/6/22 17:59, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
On 4/6/22 17:05, Per Jessen wrote:
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that. There is currently about 70 messages in the held queue, some also from known people, just from non-subscribed addresses. It is surely better if people are notified in such cases?
I guess regularly monitoring and approving the posts from known people would be a better solution, but given the amount of spam some lists get this can take a fair amount of someones time.
Yes, that is exactly the point. I have just spent the better part of three days clearing out held messages, from all lists. I started out with more than 20'000 :-(
The Heroes list is a very "mild" case, but the problem is the same as everywhere else.
Yeah presumable most people use the ticketing system to raise issues but I can kinda see a usecase for someone who is not a list member wanting to send an email on a specific topic without subscribing. Where as for most lists maybe other then project and the support ones requiring subscription probably makes sense. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
Simon Lees wrote:
The Heroes list is a very "mild" case, but the problem is the same as everywhere else.
Yeah presumable most people use the ticketing system to raise issues but I can kinda see a usecase for someone who is not a list member wanting to send an email on a specific topic without subscribing.
Yep. We have that issue in a few more places, I think - some lists were made open-to-all a few years back, IIRC.
Where as for most lists maybe other then project and the support ones requiring subscription probably makes sense.
I changed "project" to subscription-only in early February. Same goes for "users" and "users-de". Full of spam. 1500-2000 held messages per list. I wonder if maybe "support" was always subscription-only. This is the choice to make: a) subscription-only -> slight hurdle for non-subscribers, no spam. (non-mems are notified of rejected posts) b) subscription-free -> easy access for everyone, including spammers. c) hold-non-subs -> non-subscribers don't know that messages are going into a black hole. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
Am Wed, 06 Apr 2022 09:35:45 +0200 schrieb Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org>:
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that.
I've absolutely no problem with that. THANK YOU, Per, for all your work on this! One question: Mailman3 allows everyone to add addtitional Email Addresses to his own account. What about doing some marketing about this feature? Means: 1. https://lists.opensuse.org/ 2. Log in with your IDP-Account 3a. Click on your name on the top right -> Account 3b. Click on the E-mail Addresses tab Alternative: 3. visit https://lists.opensuse.org/accounts/email/ 4. Under "Add E-mail Address", enter additional Email addresses, that should be 'connected' to your account. 5. Verify your Email by clicking on the link that is sent to your newly added Email address 6. Once you associated new Email addresses, you can define one as primary address Restult: you can send Emails to any of your mailing lists with any of your registered addresses. I'm sending this Email with a lars.vogdt@suse.de Email to proof this (I'm officially not subscribed to the heroes mailing list with this address.) Regards, Lars
On 2022-04-07 19:56, Lars Vogdt wrote:
Am Wed, 06 Apr 2022 09:35:45 +0200 schrieb Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org>:
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that.
I've absolutely no problem with that. THANK YOU, Per, for all your work on this!
One question: Mailman3 allows everyone to add addtitional Email Addresses to his own account. What about doing some marketing about this feature?
I have a pending problem about this. I have not looked at it in a long time, but the thing is, that I have two addresses, one intended to be "sending only". Can't do that, both are receiving a copy of this list. The web configuration page did not allow to change, there was a bug. But it works on other the lists where the migration happened correctly, where I have both addresses. Go figure.
Means: 1. https://lists.opensuse.org/ 2. Log in with your IDP-Account
3a. Click on your name on the top right -> Account 3b. Click on the E-mail Addresses tab Alternative: 3. visit https://lists.opensuse.org/accounts/email/
4. Under "Add E-mail Address", enter additional Email addresses, that should be 'connected' to your account. 5. Verify your Email by clicking on the link that is sent to your newly added Email address
6. Once you associated new Email addresses, you can define one as primary address
Restult: you can send Emails to any of your mailing lists with any of your registered addresses.
I will have to check this again, one day :-) Thanks.
I'm sending this Email with a lars.vogdt@suse.de Email to proof this (I'm officially not subscribed to the heroes mailing list with this address.)
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-04-07 19:56, Lars Vogdt wrote:
One question: Mailman3 allows everyone to add addtitional Email Addresses to his own account. What about doing some marketing about this feature?
I have a pending problem about this. I have not looked at it in a long time, but the thing is, that I have two addresses, one intended to be "sending only". Can't do that, both are receiving a copy of this list. The web configuration page did not allow to change, there was a bug.
Well, it sounds like that problem isn't pending any more, Lars just demoed it yesterday :-) My account has three addresses, I'm trying out posting from one of them now (one that is not subscribed).
But it works on other the lists where the migration happened correctly, where I have both addresses. Go figure.
I would check your subscriptions - there are two ways: a) what Lars describes, you can have multiple addresses associated with your mailman account. b) multiple subscriptions, maybe with different delivery status. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-04-07 19:56, Lars Vogdt wrote:
One question: Mailman3 allows everyone to add addtitional Email Addresses to his own account. What about doing some marketing about this feature?
I have a pending problem about this. I have not looked at it in a long time, but the thing is, that I have two addresses, one intended to be "sending only". Can't do that, both are receiving a copy of this list. The web configuration page did not allow to change, there was a bug.
Well, it sounds like that problem isn't pending any more, Lars just demoed it yesterday :-)
Hmm, now I'm not so sure. I have just tried posting from "per@jessen.ch" which I had previously unsubscribed. That address is associated with my mailman account, yet my post was rejected. Checking the subscribers, I also do see Lars (his suse.de address) subscribed to "heroes". So this doesn't quite work the way we expected it to. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
Lars Vogdt wrote:
Am Wed, 06 Apr 2022 09:35:45 +0200 schrieb Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org>:
Please let me know if if anyone sees a problem in that.
I've absolutely no problem with that. THANK YOU, Per, for all your work on this!
All in a day's work :-)
One question: Mailman3 allows everyone to add addtitional Email Addresses to his own account. What about doing some marketing about this feature?
Haha, funny you should mention it - only just this afternoon, I was discussing it with Simon Lees on IRC. I was not really aware of the option myself :-)
Means: 1. https://lists.opensuse.org/ 2. Log in with your IDP-Account [snip]
I am planning on sending a notification to most of the lists, about $SUBJ - I think it would be a good idea to add these instructions to the message. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes
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