[heroes] Resigning from the openSUSE heroes team
Hi guys As I told you some weeks ago, I would have less time in 2018 for the openSUSE heroes. So the following should not be too problematic - even if it is not really what I wanted. As I got multiple complains from the openSUSE release management and parts of the openSUSE board about "my behavior" (no, sorry, I will not go into details here), it's time for me to take the consequences and get out of their way. The decision is not easy for me, as infrastructure administration is always my baby - and especially the openSUSE infrastructure was part of my life now for many, many years. But time goes by and - as well as people - things change. So I decided to step back in this area for now and give others a chance. I've currently still 7 tickets open in progress.o.o - and some stuff in bugzilla.o.o assigned to me, that I will finish, if nobody objects. But please do not assign new tickets to me any longer. As mentioned before: I will not refuse to help if the openSUSE heroes need me - but I will no longer pro-actively drive things or maintain the infrastructure - and remove my permissions as soon as possible. Regarding the meeting in March: if nobody else volunteers, my offer still stands to organize it. But please understand that I don't want to participate in the meeting under the current circumstances. It was always a pleasure for me to work with you, guys. You ROCK! with kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hi all, Am 07.12.2017 um 12:16 schrieb Lars Vogdt:
The decision is not easy for me, as infrastructure administration is always my baby - and especially the openSUSE infrastructure was part of my life now for many, many years. But time goes by and - as well as people - things change. So I decided to step back in this area for now and give others a chance.
besides all the politics and changes happening in the last weeks, with none of this helping in actually improving the infrastructure, but making peoples life harder, I really have to say, that this is what happens when politics go crazy, people get sad and step out of the way - of course they try to fight for a valid amount of time - but if it is about a project mainly driven in free time - like here - I think we all understand, why you had to decided for yourself to make a decision. It's no good news for openSUSE project, to have such issues and such things happen, and I actually think that we have to look out now how we could replace what you have done in the past. If I search for "Responsible: lrupp" in our openSUSE Admin wiki: https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin-wiki/search?offset=20171119145004&previous=1&q=Responsible%3A+++++lrupp&utf8=%E2%9C%93&wiki_pages=1 I'll get a list of at least 22 machines. So I suggest to sit down together - before the Heroes meeting in March - and discuss on which services are running there, how they are managed at the moment and who can be the new openSUSE Hero taking over this service. Of course there is even more - especially on the OBS-side of the force - where you still are in charge and you are still running those services together with your team - but especially for the openSUSE Heroes managed machines, I think it would be good to have a proper handover of these services. I'm pretty aware, that there will be questions afterwards and I'm happy that you offer to help us with answering to all the questions we might have to these machines in detail. I offer myself as planning such a meeting, but as Lars' time is less available then mine, I'm open for suggestions regarding the actual date - after Lars told us some available dates - I would like to ask all the Heroes via a "Doodle" or something if they want to join and organize a proper meeting room in Nuremberg for this handover to happen. Last but not least - Thanks for you work in the Heroes team. It is somehow weird writing something like a farewell, while still seeing the guy every day... so that's maybe why I don't understand politics sometimes :). Best regards, Thorsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Thorsten Bro wrote:
Hi all,
Am 07.12.2017 um 12:16 schrieb Lars Vogdt:
The decision is not easy for me, as infrastructure administration is always my baby - and especially the openSUSE infrastructure was part of my life now for many, many years. But time goes by and - as well as people - things change. So I decided to step back in this area for now and give others a chance.
besides all the politics and changes happening in the last weeks, with none of this helping in actually improving the infrastructure, but making peoples life harder, I really have to say, that this is what happens when politics go crazy, people get sad and step out of the way
Hi Thorsten Yes, that is exactly what it sounds like.
- of course they try to fight for a valid amount of time - but if it is about a project mainly driven in free time - like here - I think we all understand, why you had to decided for yourself to make a decision.
Being a bit on the outside, I am too far removed to really know what's going on. That's okay, I'm curious, but I don't need to know. I just get a dire sense of things falling apart.
I'll get a list of at least 22 machines. So I suggest to sit down together - before the Heroes meeting in March - and discuss on which services are running there, how they are managed at the moment and who can be the new openSUSE Hero taking over this service.
That sounds like a sensible thing to do - I can't really take part (bit of a long drive), but I am happy to help with whatever I can.
Of course there is even more, especially for the openSUSE Heroes managed machines, I think it would be good to have a proper handover of these services.
It would be critical. I am sure Lars will endeavour to make himself available when needed, but a handover is absolutely critical. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Top posting I know; I just want to say that I am very new, learning
things, been sticking around the admin channel in IRC and talking with
a few of the members. I hope to learn more by March and contribute to
Heroes if they'll have me. Thanks
James Bunnell
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Lars Vogdt
Hi guys
As I told you some weeks ago, I would have less time in 2018 for the openSUSE heroes. So the following should not be too problematic - even if it is not really what I wanted.
As I got multiple complains from the openSUSE release management and parts of the openSUSE board about "my behavior" (no, sorry, I will not go into details here), it's time for me to take the consequences and get out of their way.
The decision is not easy for me, as infrastructure administration is always my baby - and especially the openSUSE infrastructure was part of my life now for many, many years. But time goes by and - as well as people - things change. So I decided to step back in this area for now and give others a chance.
I've currently still 7 tickets open in progress.o.o - and some stuff in bugzilla.o.o assigned to me, that I will finish, if nobody objects. But please do not assign new tickets to me any longer.
As mentioned before: I will not refuse to help if the openSUSE heroes need me - but I will no longer pro-actively drive things or maintain the infrastructure - and remove my permissions as soon as possible.
Regarding the meeting in March: if nobody else volunteers, my offer still stands to organize it. But please understand that I don't want to participate in the meeting under the current circumstances.
It was always a pleasure for me to work with you, guys. You ROCK!
with kind regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
Hi
As mentioned before: I will not refuse to help if the openSUSE heroes need me - but I will no longer pro-actively drive things or maintain the infrastructure - and remove my permissions as soon as possible.
Looks like someone already removed my key from all machines without further notice. To help you with removing me, I deleted my freeIPA account as well as my monitoring account and my permissions on progress. For the wiki, news and the other stuff, I hope that someone with more knowledge than me can do this, as I had those permissions only for emergency cases. The only thing I do not understand is: why don't you talk to me and hide yourself? Are the reasons the same for the mysterious removal of Darix account? ...but I think it is silly to ask, as I will anyway never find out - because in this case people would need to speak with me... Sorry guys, but I have the feeling that the help I offered is not welcome any more. So the last step is now to unsubscribe myself from the mailing list. Feel free to delete my mails from any archive as well. Sad to see how things go. This is not what I wanted and I hope that everybody understands that I'm just following the obvious intention here to kick me out. I have to accept that people don't like to talk but instead act without further explanation. Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Lars Vogdt wrote:
Hi guys
As I told you some weeks ago, I would have less time in 2018 for the openSUSE heroes. So the following should not be too problematic - even if it is not really what I wanted.
As I got multiple complains from the openSUSE release management and parts of the openSUSE board about "my behavior" (no, sorry, I will not go into details here), it's time for me to take the consequences and get out of their way.
The decision is not easy for me, as infrastructure administration is always my baby - and especially the openSUSE infrastructure was part of my life now for many, many years. But time goes by and - as well as people - things change. So I decided to step back in this area for now and give others a chance.
I've currently still 7 tickets open in progress.o.o - and some stuff in bugzilla.o.o assigned to me, that I will finish, if nobody objects. But please do not assign new tickets to me any longer.
As mentioned before: I will not refuse to help if the openSUSE heroes need me - but I will no longer pro-actively drive things or maintain the infrastructure - and remove my permissions as soon as possible.
Regarding the meeting in March: if nobody else volunteers, my offer still stands to organize it. But please understand that I don't want to participate in the meeting under the current circumstances.
It was always a pleasure for me to work with you, guys. You ROCK!
with kind regards, Lars
(late reply as I was on vacation and then a ton of work was waiting for me) Lars, thanks a lot from my side as well for all of the work you have done. Your energy, passion and knowledge have been an inspiration for me. And of course you're always welcome to change your mind and come back to your baby :) Thorsten's reply regarding politics and their results covers me as well. To the rest of the team: I plan to take over all of Lars' work, but help is always welcome from anyone. It would be a good idea probably to list some services that need help somewhere, along with some junior jobs for newcomers. Theo
participants (5)
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James Bunnell -
Lars Vogdt -
Per Jessen -
Theo Chatzimichos -
Thorsten Bro