[heroes] mailing list setup
Lars Vogdt wrote:
Hi
On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:11:43 +0200 Per Jessen wrote:
I will try to add some more documentation about the Email routing during the next days. Feel free to ask what you miss apart from that...
A very simplified introduction is now also available at https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/wiki/Listsopensuseorg
Hi Lars yes, I saw that one yesterday. Let me try to ask some semi-intelligent questions - all mails for @opensuse.org are received by mx2.suse.de, where I presume anything addressed to LISTNAME@opensuse.org is forwarded (by way of a virtual mapping) to lists4 or lists5, the mailing list servers. For archived lists, a copy is sent to lists.opensuse.org, which is the webserver with the list archives. lists4 and lists5 - are these copies or master/slave or ? I studied the brief procedure for adding a new list - I can see "lists[45].opensuse.org", but not "baloo.opensuse.org" ? I can't find "gitlab.suse.de" either. thanks Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 09:05:57AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi Lars
yes, I saw that one yesterday.
Let me try to ask some semi-intelligent questions -
all mails for @opensuse.org are received by mx2.suse.de, where I presume anything addressed to LISTNAME@opensuse.org is forwarded (by way of a virtual mapping) to lists4 or lists5, the mailing list servers. For archived lists, a copy is sent to lists.opensuse.org, which is the webserver with the list archives.
lists4 and lists5 - are these copies or master/slave or ?
I studied the brief procedure for adding a new list -
I can see "lists[45].opensuse.org", but not "baloo.opensuse.org" ? I can't find "gitlab.suse.de" either.
lists[45].o.o, baloo.o.o and lists.o.o are the same machine. There is no master/slave setup, although (since the migration last year) we have the data in a separate data disk (and the configs in git) it would make sense to set up a secondary machine. gitlab.suse.de is internal suse service, you don't need access there. -- Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@opensuse.org> <tchatzimichos@suse.com> System Administrator SUSE Operations and Services Team
Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 09:05:57AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Hi Lars
yes, I saw that one yesterday.
Let me try to ask some semi-intelligent questions -
all mails for @opensuse.org are received by mx2.suse.de, where I presume anything addressed to LISTNAME@opensuse.org is forwarded (by way of a virtual mapping) to lists4 or lists5, the mailing list servers. For archived lists, a copy is sent to lists.opensuse.org, which is the webserver with the list archives.
lists4 and lists5 - are these copies or master/slave or ?
I studied the brief procedure for adding a new list -
I can see "lists[45].opensuse.org", but not "baloo.opensuse.org" ? I can't find "gitlab.suse.de" either.
lists[45].o.o, baloo.o.o and lists.o.o are the same machine.
Okay. Is baloo.o.o also an internal name, it doesn't resolve?
There is no master/slave setup, although (since the migration last year) we have the data in a separate data disk (and the configs in git) it would make sense to set up a secondary machine.
What is the significance of the different addresses then?
gitlab.suse.de is internal suse service, you don't need access there.
It was mentioned in the wiki, that's why I brought it up - https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/wiki/Lists_create_new thanks Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 11:26:08AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
lists[45].o.o, baloo.o.o and lists.o.o are the same machine.
Okay. Is baloo.o.o also an internal name, it doesn't resolve?
There is no master/slave setup, although (since the migration last year) we have the data in a separate data disk (and the configs in git) it would make sense to set up a secondary machine.
What is the significance of the different addresses then?
We have a naming pattern for the machines, see [1]. The reason is that we keep this name as primary, and the service name as a CNAME. So in service migrations the change would be changing the CNAME only. This was my personal experience from another linux distro admin team I was participating, see [2]. lists.o.o is a great example of this, the lists?.o.o names that you see are coming from machine migrations :) The name baloo (and the rest of the disney names) do not resolve publicly, they resolve only in the network between the virtualization cluster VMs.
gitlab.suse.de is internal suse service, you don't need access there.
It was mentioned in the wiki, that's why I brought it up -
Sorry you are right. This git repo is one of the many cases that we have right now that have mixed suse and opensuse information inside, and we can't just open. So unfortunately for now you will have to ping one of us SUSE OPS-Services people to do that part. I am planning a meeting with my team to discuss about such shared services, git repos, info etc that we need to decide if/how we are going to make them public. PS: I know that most of the information I am presenting above needs to be written on the progress wiki, and I am working on it, but I would appreciate if there are volunteers that can start pages with quick and dirty info there. We can always clean up later. [1] https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/wiki/Naming_pattern [2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Servers Theo
Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 11:26:08AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
lists[45].o.o, baloo.o.o and lists.o.o are the same machine.
Okay. Is baloo.o.o also an internal name, it doesn't resolve?
There is no master/slave setup, although (since the migration last year) we have the data in a separate data disk (and the configs in git) it would make sense to set up a secondary machine.
What is the significance of the different addresses then?
We have a naming pattern for the machines, see [1]. The reason is that we keep this name as primary, and the service name as a CNAME. So in service migrations the change would be changing the CNAME only. This was my personal experience from another linux distro admin team I was participating, see [2].
Hi Theo, yes that makes a lot of sense. We do something similar, although we allocate an IP-address for a service, then we can easily move the service.
lists.o.o is a great example of this, the lists?.o.o names that you see are coming from machine migrations :)
Aha. So lists.o.o is just one server running the mailing list manager and the archive webserver?
The name baloo (and the rest of the disney names) do not resolve publicly, they resolve only in the network between the virtualization cluster VMs.
I had the feeling it was something like that, okay.
gitlab.suse.de is internal suse service, you don't need access there.
It was mentioned in the wiki, that's why I brought it up -
Sorry you are right. This git repo is one of the many cases that we have right now that have mixed suse and opensuse information inside, and we can't just open. So unfortunately for now you will have to ping one of us SUSE OPS-Services people to do that part. I am planning a meeting with my team to discuss about such shared services, git repos, info etc that we need to decide if/how we are going to make them public.
Would it perhaps be best if I were to wait maybe a month and then return to this topic? It is still holiday time (although mine's over), and planning for external access will presumably take some time.
PS: I know that most of the information I am presenting above needs to be written on the progress wiki, and I am working on it, but I would appreciate if there are volunteers that can start pages with quick and dirty info there. We can always clean up later.
Sure, I understand.
[1] [https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/wiki/Naming_pattern
Funny, we also have a box named "gaston", but is from "Gaston Lagaffe" :-) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_%28Comic%29 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org
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