[opensuse-gnome] Moving packages from G:F to G:C/Contrib
Hi, Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them. The criterias I used to create this list are something like: + is the project still alive upstream? + is it useful for that many people? For those wondering, I can see a Novell reason to move stuff (I guess it means less things to support for Novell), but also a reason for the community (less rules, so faster action possible). So, list of stuff: + all the galago things: we don't even know if it's still working (note to self: this includes gnome-presence-applet) + bakefile: it seems it used to be required by webkit, but it's not anymore? + bombermaze: old game. Old. Did I say it's old? But probably fun. + conglomerate: an XML editor. Not really developed anymore. + eiciel: an ACL editor. I thought nautilus does this now? + fyre: a nice app, but, hrm, not really needed by many people + g-wrap: something related to guile. Not used by anything? + gDesklets: I'm unsure there, feedback welcome. + gbrainy: cool game, but not sure why it's here. + giver: err, this didn't move lately, and last thing I heard about it is that it's not totally ready + glade: why do we keep the old unmaintained glade? + gnome-blog: handy I guess, but not for most people + gnome-commander: not a lot of people replace nautilus + gnome-reset: like gnome-blog + gnome-themes-extras: maybe? Depends on the themes in there, I guess + gnomeicu: most people will use pidgin or a telepathy-based client + gob2: tool for developers, but I don't think anything use it anymore + goobox: old sound-juicer competitor + gqview: we have eog + gthumb: a bit harder, but I think most people are happy with f-spot + libesmtp: needed by balsa (which is not in G:F, but is related to G:F) balsa is not that used, so a good candidate too (oops, libesmtp is required by kdump, so no) + libghttp: not used by anything? + libiptcdata: needed by gthumb only + libmcs: not used by anything? + mergeant: not really for end-users... + mozilla-bonobo: err. Bonobo? + tasque: is it still developed? Yeah, this is a big list -- better to be aggressive :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them.
Nice! I went through your list quickly and sorted it into "drop" and "G-C" categories that I think would make sense. It probably warrants further discussion and input from more people.
So, list of stuff:
+ all the galago things: we don't even know if it's still working (note to self: this includes gnome-presence-applet) + bakefile: it seems it used to be required by webkit, but it's not anymore?
Don't know about these.
+ bombermaze: old game. Old. Did I say it's old? But probably fun. + conglomerate: an XML editor. Not really developed anymore. + giver: err, this didn't move lately, and last thing I heard about it is that it's not totally ready + glade: why do we keep the old unmaintained glade? + gnomeicu: most people will use pidgin or a telepathy-based client + gnome-reset: like gnome-blog
Drop. I don't think these are much use to anyone, and I don't think they ever will be.
+ eiciel: an ACL editor. I thought nautilus does this now? + fyre: a nice app, but, hrm, not really needed by many people + g-wrap: something related to guile. Not used by anything? + gDesklets: I'm unsure there, feedback welcome. + gbrainy: cool game, but not sure why it's here. + gnome-blog: handy I guess, but not for most people + gnome-commander: not a lot of people replace nautilus + gnome-themes-extras: maybe? Depends on the themes in there, I guess + gob2: tool for developers, but I don't think anything use it anymore + goobox: old sound-juicer competitor + gqview: we have eog + gthumb: a bit harder, but I think most people are happy with f-spot + libghttp: not used by anything? + libiptcdata: needed by gthumb only + libmcs: not used by anything? + mergeant: not really for end-users... > + tasque: is it still developed?
Move to G:C. Most of these are of some use to a small group of people, or are not polished/useful enough to be in G:F. I kind of want to drop some of these, but it's better to err on the safe side, I guess.
+ mozilla-bonobo: err. Bonobo?
Drop, I guess? -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
+ tasque: is it still developed?
Isn't tasque one of house made applications ? It's on very active development on gnome svn. Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 05 novembre 2008, à 02:46 +0000, Luis Medinas a écrit :
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
+ tasque: is it still developed?
Isn't tasque one of house made applications ? It's on very active development on gnome svn.
If house-made means "originally developed by Novell employees", then probably yes. However, I feel this is kind of orthogonal to the "should it be in the main repo" question. I checked, and indeed, it's being actively developed in GNOME svn. No release since August, though. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 04 novembre 2008, à 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them.
The criterias I used to create this list are something like: + is the project still alive upstream? + is it useful for that many people?
For those wondering, I can see a Novell reason to move stuff (I guess it means less things to support for Novell), but also a reason for the community (less rules, so faster action possible).
So, list of stuff:
No more feedback? I'm currently wondering whether to wait when 11.2 development opens up or to do some of this now. Please take a few minutes to think about it so we can decide at tomorrow's meeting :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 23:44 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 04 novembre 2008, à 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them.
The criterias I used to create this list are something like: + is the project still alive upstream? + is it useful for that many people?
For those wondering, I can see a Novell reason to move stuff (I guess it means less things to support for Novell), but also a reason for the community (less rules, so faster action possible).
So, list of stuff:
No more feedback? I'm currently wondering whether to wait when 11.2 development opens up or to do some of this now.
Please take a few minutes to think about it so we can decide at tomorrow's meeting :-)
It seems as if nobody have any issues with moving the packages you listed, out of G:F and the main distribution so... Why not move them all to G:C to start with, then let people use the voting thing to determine if they are actually used? Another way would be if we can get download stats for the packages and use that instead. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:42 +1000, Magnus Boman wrote:
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 23:44 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 04 novembre 2008, à 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them.
The criterias I used to create this list are something like: + is the project still alive upstream? + is it useful for that many people?
For those wondering, I can see a Novell reason to move stuff (I guess it means less things to support for Novell), but also a reason for the community (less rules, so faster action possible).
So, list of stuff:
No more feedback? I'm currently wondering whether to wait when 11.2 development opens up or to do some of this now.
Please take a few minutes to think about it so we can decide at tomorrow's meeting :-)
It seems as if nobody have any issues with moving the packages you listed, out of G:F and the main distribution so... Why not move them all to G:C to start with, then let people use the voting thing to determine if they are actually used? Another way would be if we can get download stats for the packages and use that instead.
yes, that sounds good, let's move them to G:C and review case by case (based on whatever) what to move to Contrib -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 13:16 +0100, Rodrigo Moya wrote:
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:42 +1000, Magnus Boman wrote:
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 23:44 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 04 novembre 2008, à 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them.
The criterias I used to create this list are something like: + is the project still alive upstream? + is it useful for that many people?
For those wondering, I can see a Novell reason to move stuff (I guess it means less things to support for Novell), but also a reason for the community (less rules, so faster action possible).
So, list of stuff:
No more feedback? I'm currently wondering whether to wait when 11.2 development opens up or to do some of this now.
Please take a few minutes to think about it so we can decide at tomorrow's meeting :-)
It seems as if nobody have any issues with moving the packages you listed, out of G:F and the main distribution so... Why not move them all to G:C to start with, then let people use the voting thing to determine if they are actually used? Another way would be if we can get download stats for the packages and use that instead.
yes, that sounds good, let's move them to G:C and review case by case (based on whatever) what to move to Contrib
Any opinions on this? If not, I say we just move them in a couple of days. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 26 novembre 2008, à 18:55 +1100, Magnus Boman a écrit :
Any opinions on this? If not, I say we just move them in a couple of days.
I say I won't remove stuff from Factory at this point ;-) Waiting for 11.2 here too. But we can start copying stuff to G:C, yes. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 12 novembre 2008, à 23:44 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Please take a few minutes to think about it so we can decide at tomorrow's meeting :-)
Also, just to clear any potential confusion, there's no meeting today since we moved to a meeting every two weeks. Maybe I was the only confused, though. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 23:01 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Since I'm waiting doing nothing, I'm looking at the list of packages in G:F and starting to look at what we could move to G:C (the goal being to have them in Contrib) -- or drop them.
The criterias I used to create this list are something like: + is the project still alive upstream? + is it useful for that many people?
For those wondering, I can see a Novell reason to move stuff (I guess it means less things to support for Novell), but also a reason for the community (less rules, so faster action possible).
So, list of stuff:
+ all the galago things: we don't even know if it's still working (note to self: this includes gnome-presence-applet)
+1 Move
+ bakefile: it seems it used to be required by webkit, but it's not anymore?
If so, die.
+ bombermaze: old game. Old. Did I say it's old? But probably fun.
+1 Move
+ conglomerate: an XML editor. Not really developed anymore.
+1 Move
+ eiciel: an ACL editor. I thought nautilus does this now?
It does all the extended ACl stuff as well?
+ fyre: a nice app, but, hrm, not really needed by many people
Agreed.
+ g-wrap: something related to guile. Not used by anything?
I thought gnucash used this at one point
+ gDesklets: I'm unsure there, feedback welcome.
Move it.
+ gbrainy: cool game, but not sure why it's here.
It was a request to put it in and I liked the game :-). I would be fine with a move.
+ giver: err, this didn't move lately, and last thing I heard about it is that it's not totally ready
Keep it around one more cycle at least.
+ glade: why do we keep the old unmaintained glade?
For compat - glade-3 drastically altered the xml on a load/save of a glade 2 document. Moving it should be fine now.
+ gnome-blog: handy I guess, but not for most people
I tried to drop it before and got resistance, but contrib seems reasonable since its not being updated upstream.
+ gnome-commander: not a lot of people replace nautilus
Enough we got several requests about it. I think we keep it for now.
+ gnome-reset: like gnome-blog
Move, I think supportconfig could maybe supersede this.
+ gnome-themes-extras: maybe? Depends on the themes in there, I guess
Keep for now I think.
+ gnomeicu: most people will use pidgin or a telepathy-based client
Agreed, move.
+ gob2: tool for developers, but I don't think anything use it anymore
gnome-pilot still might.
+ goobox: old sound-juicer competitor
+1 Move
+ gqview: we have eog
+1 Move.
+ gthumb: a bit harder, but I think most people are happy with f-spot
Keep it around one more cycle at least.
+ libesmtp: needed by balsa (which is not in G:F, but is related to G:F) balsa is not that used, so a good candidate too (oops, libesmtp is required by kdump, so no)
I think we should put the package up "for sale" then on opensuse-packagers.
+ libghttp: not used by anything?
Appears to have been used by gconf 1.x back in the day. Move/drop.
+ libiptcdata: needed by gthumb only
So whatever happens to gthumb...
+ libmcs: not used by anything? + mergeant: not really for end-users...
True, but for developers I think we should keep it.
+ mozilla-bonobo: err. Bonobo?
Well, useful when things had bonobo viewers that could be embedded. +1 Move.
+ tasque: is it still developed?
Keep, getting some upstream love at least. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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