[opensuse-gnome] GNOME LiveCD and Installer
Hi, in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-( How do you want to do this for 12.1? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{novell.com,suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward.. Richard
Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM >>> Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-( How do you want to do this for 12.1? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{novell.com,suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org City College Open Day – Saturday 25th June. 10 – 1pm at Pelham Tower, Brighton Find out about our exciting range of vocational and professional courses starting this September – Adult Education & Community Learning, 16-18 School Leavers, Apprenticeships, Prince’s Trust programme, Business Training, Training for the Unemployed, Access to Higher Education and Higher Education degrees. http://www.ccb.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote:
Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>> Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas
I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3 when using the Live CD. The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears - which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu. Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option. BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hi Basil, The gnome3.org openSUSE-based live CD's do have the option for installing when using the LiveCD (My laptop was installed this way) It's in the Desktop folder in the linux users home directory Of course, the 'Desktop' folder is somewhat redundant in GNOME 3, gnome-shell does not show icons on the desktop, so you have to go poking around the file system or using your valid YaST approach R
Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> 6/21/2011 1:26 PM >>> On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote: Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>> Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas
I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3 when using the Live CD. The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears - which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu. Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option. BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org City College Open Day – Saturday 25th June. 10 – 1pm at Pelham Tower, Brighton Find out about our exciting range of vocational and professional courses starting this September – Adult Education & Community Learning, 16-18 School Leavers, Apprenticeships, Prince’s Trust programme, Business Training, Training for the Unemployed, Access to Higher Education and Higher Education degrees. http://www.ccb.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 21/06/11 22:35, Richard Brown wrote:
Hi Basil,
The gnome3.org openSUSE-based live CD's do have the option for installing when using the LiveCD (My laptop was installed this way)
It's in the Desktop folder in the linux users home directory
Of course, the 'Desktop' folder is somewhat redundant in GNOME 3, gnome-shell does not show icons on the desktop, so you have to go poking around the file system or using your valid YaST approach
R
Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> 6/21/2011 1:26 PM>>> On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote: Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>> Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3
when using the Live CD.
The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to
install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears -
which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu.
Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that
only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option.
The point I was making is that why suddenly doesn't the Live CD have the option of installing Gnome 3 when the Live CD is booted? It has nothing to do with not having desktop icons or anything else. Why isn't there the option to install the Live CD from the menu when the CD is booted? Simple question: why has this option been removed? BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 22:26 +1000, Basil Chupin a écrit :
On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote:
Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>> Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas
I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3 when using the Live CD.
The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears - which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu.
Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option.
As explained in almost all blog posts about GNOME 3 Live image and in the wiki, you have to manually add "liveinstall" to boot command line to get live installer. But Live installer is still available from applications list in GNOME Shell. This issue is due to kiwi not supporting creating customized boot entry ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667950 ) and is not present in GNOME3 Promo DVD (which was "hand-made"). -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 14:42:07 Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 22:26 +1000, Basil Chupin a écrit :
On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote:
Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>>
Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas
I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3 when using the Live CD.
The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears - which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu.
Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option.
As explained in almost all blog posts about GNOME 3 Live image and in the wiki, you have to manually add "liveinstall" to boot command line to get live installer. But Live installer is still available from applications list in GNOME Shell.
We really need a better solution for 12.1 than reading the manual ;) I can right now start the liven installer from the GNOME 12.1 LiveCD - but I need to know how to invoke it.
This issue is due to kiwi not supporting creating customized boot entry ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667950 ) and is not present in GNOME3 Promo DVD (which was "hand-made").
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{novell.com,suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 15:01 +0200, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 14:42:07 Frederic Crozat wrote:
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 22:26 +1000, Basil Chupin a écrit :
On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote:
Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
> Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>>
Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas
I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3 when using the Live CD.
The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears - which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu.
Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option.
As explained in almost all blog posts about GNOME 3 Live image and in the wiki, you have to manually add "liveinstall" to boot command line to get live installer. But Live installer is still available from applications list in GNOME Shell.
We really need a better solution for 12.1 than reading the manual ;)
Agreed. 12.1 won't have the issue GNOME3 Live image have, since those iso will be created by coolo and not using a "kiwi only" process, so Live Install will be present in the boot menu.
I can right now start the liven installer from the GNOME 12.1 LiveCD - but I need to know how to invoke it.
One solution could be to start a "welcome" screen once GNOME is started (only in Live mode) explaining how to install the image (and maybe with a 1 click button to start install). -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
I can right now start the liven installer from the GNOME 12.1 LiveCD - but I
need to know how to invoke it.
One solution could be to start a "welcome" screen once GNOME is started (only in Live mode) explaining how to install the image (and maybe with a 1 click button to start install).
+1 I will not want to reboot a livecd to install it. IIRC we used to have a first run dialog with GNOME 2.x Sankar -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
I will not want to reboot a livecd to install it. IIRC we used to have a first run dialog with GNOME 2.x
I usually just want to install it, not even boot it for runtime :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 22 juin 2011 à 18:15 +0100, Nelson Marques a écrit :
I will not want to reboot a livecd to install it. IIRC we used to have a first run dialog with GNOME 2.x
I usually just want to install it, not even boot it for runtime :)
Then read my other reply in this thread about this. (and no need to cc me). -- Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 21 juin 2011, à 15:29 +0200, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 15:01 +0200, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
I can right now start the liven installer from the GNOME 12.1 LiveCD - but I need to know how to invoke it.
One solution could be to start a "welcome" screen once GNOME is started (only in Live mode) explaining how to install the image (and maybe with a 1 click button to start install).
What about putting the installer as the first favorite application? That kind of makes sense to me. (won't work with the fallback mode, though -- we can add an icon in the panel for that there) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 28 juin 2011, à 16:30 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Le mardi 21 juin 2011, à 15:29 +0200, Frederic Crozat a écrit :
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 15:01 +0200, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
I can right now start the liven installer from the GNOME 12.1 LiveCD - but I need to know how to invoke it.
One solution could be to start a "welcome" screen once GNOME is started (only in Live mode) explaining how to install the image (and maybe with a 1 click button to start install).
What about putting the installer as the first favorite application? That kind of makes sense to me.
(won't work with the fallback mode, though -- we can add an icon in the panel for that there)
I filed https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=702671 to make sure the issue will get fixed. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 21/06/11 22:42, Frederic Crozat wrote:
On 21/06/11 22:15, Richard Brown wrote:
Hi,
Thinking out loud, isn't this is going to be more of an interesting issue in 12.1? if it's going to be GNOME 3, it wont be ABLE to have any icons on the desktop
Maybe an application icon is the way to go forward..
Richard
Andreas Jaeger<aj@novell.com> 6/21/2011 12:54 PM>>> Hi,
in the past the LiveCDs had an installer icon on the desktop - I don't see this with the current GNOME LiveCD ;-(
How do you want to do this for 12.1?
Andreas I haven't seen the 12.1 version but I am wondering if there is some misunderstanding about this Live CD and the ability to install Gnome 3 when using the Live CD.
The Live CD I have come across with Gnome 3 does NOT have the option to install Gnome 3 when the Live CD is first booted and the menu appears - which is unlike all previous Live CDs where one had the option to Install the system from that first menu.
Live CD with Gnome 3 do not have this option, and one has to know that only by going into Yast can one see the Live Installer option. As explained in almost all blog posts about GNOME 3 Live image and in
Le mardi 21 juin 2011 à 22:26 +1000, Basil Chupin a écrit : the wiki, you have to manually add "liveinstall" to boot command line to get live installer. But Live installer is still available from applications list in GNOME Shell.
This issue is due to kiwi not supporting creating customized boot entry ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667950 ) and is not present in GNOME3 Promo DVD (which was "hand-made").
Please forgive me, Frederick, but all you said is nothing more than goobly-dook to anyone - including me - who wants to install gnome 3 on their system. *WHAT* "blog posts" about "GNOME 3 Live image"? *What* 'posts' in the wiki? I have never heard of any of these. Who are you catering to - the ordinary guy in the street or the geek who has nothing better to do other than to read "blogs" and "wiki" entries - which nobody knows about except for the "blog-followers" and "propeller-heads" who follow this sort of stuff? :-( But in the end what you are trying to say that this "kiwi" - whatever the heck this is! - will be fixed as the result of the bugzilla report so that in the next day or so this problem will disappear and the next Live CD with Gnome 3 will not have this handicap, right? :-) BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Anyway we could have a 'Install GNOME 3' available on the bootloader menu? For all I understood it's just adding 'liveinstall' to the kernel boot line... This would be an elegant way... NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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