[opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
Hi, Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback. - Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded - Logout OTOH seem to take a lot more time than what it took with 11.2 In fact everytime when I select logout from gnome-do's menu, it takes atleast 10 seconds till I get my GDM screen (4G RAM machine) - I tried installing "Google Chrome". I downloaded the rpm and clicked on it to be installed by "Install/Remove software". There were some missing dependencies (libjpeg, lsb) and "Install software" did not complain about the missing packages. It just went on infinitely moving the progress bar. So I had to cancel that and resume the installation from terminal (which is how I came to know of the missing packages) - Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?) - There is a lot of screen flickering during booting. Atleast 3 times, the screen goes colourless (not blank) with only busy mouse pointer shown. This flickering instead of showing the splash screen and gdm screen, is a usability problem. Last but not the least, booting is fast. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 01:01 +0530, Sankar P wrote:
Hi, Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback. - Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
Good to hear!
- There is a lot of screen flickering during booting. Atleast 3 times, the screen goes colourless (not blank) with only busy mouse pointer shown. This flickering instead of showing the splash screen and gdm screen, is a usability problem.
Just FYI: That happens on 11.1 & 11.2 for me on my last two laptops; screen flashes in and out, and the cursor does jumping jacks [up, about 3/4in down and to the right, back up, usually about four times] between screen flashes. Then it all settles down to a beautiful GDM login screen and everything works perfectly from there on in. Usually the screen is completely blank but sometimes it is B&W.
Last but not the least, booting is fast.
Sweet. -- Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org> LPIC-1, Novell CLA <http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com> OpenGroupware, Cyrus IMAPd, Postfix, OpenLDAP, Samba -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
-----Original Message----- From: Sankar P [mailto:sankar.curiosity@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:32 PM To: The Wonderful GNOME Monkeys Subject: [opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
Hi,
Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback.
- Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
Could you try autologin. I´m wondering if it´s amazing also in your case. Because i have no feeling with autologin it´s amazing fast. -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
2010/6/23 Rastislav Krupanský <rastislav.krupansky@gmail.com>:
-----Original Message----- From: Sankar P [mailto:sankar.curiosity@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:32 PM To: The Wonderful GNOME Monkeys Subject: [opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
Hi,
Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback.
- Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
Could you try autologin. I´m wondering if it´s amazing also in your case. Because i have no feeling with autologin it´s amazing fast.
After the screen-blanking (as part of booting), I get the panel and background loaded in ~2 seconds, substantially faster than 11.2 -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
-----Original Message----- From: Sankar P [mailto:sankar.curiosity@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:19 AM To: Rastislav Krupanský Cc: The Wonderful GNOME Monkeys Subject: Re: [opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
2010/6/23 Rastislav Krupanský <rastislav.krupansky@gmail.com>:
-----Original Message----- From: Sankar P [mailto:sankar.curiosity@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:32 PM To: The Wonderful GNOME Monkeys Subject: [opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
Hi,
Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback.
- Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
Could you try autologin. I´m wondering if it´s amazing also in your case. Because i have no feeling with autologin it´s amazing fast.
After the screen-blanking (as part of booting), I get the panel and background loaded in ~2 seconds, substantially faster than 11.2
Huh, pretty quickly loaded. Which one build are you trying? RC1-build675, or any factory build? -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
2010/6/23 Rastislav Krupanský <rastislav.krupansky@gmail.com>:
-----Original Message----- From: Sankar P [mailto:sankar.curiosity@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:19 AM To: Rastislav Krupanský Cc: The Wonderful GNOME Monkeys Subject: Re: [opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
2010/6/23 Rastislav Krupanský <rastislav.krupansky@gmail.com>:
-----Original Message----- From: Sankar P [mailto:sankar.curiosity@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:32 PM To: The Wonderful GNOME Monkeys Subject: [opensuse-gnome] 11.3 GNOME First look
Hi,
Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback.
- Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
Could you try autologin. I´m wondering if it´s amazing also in your case. Because i have no feeling with autologin it´s amazing fast.
After the screen-blanking (as part of booting), I get the panel and background loaded in ~2 seconds, substantially faster than 11.2
Huh, pretty quickly loaded. Which one build are you trying? RC1-build675, or any factory build?
I installed RC1 build and then running Vuntz's gdm packages. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
Hi,
Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback.
- Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
- Logout OTOH seem to take a lot more time than what it took with 11.2 In fact everytime when I select logout from gnome-do's menu, it takes atleast 10 seconds till I get my GDM screen (4G RAM machine)
No idea why this would happen.
- I tried installing "Google Chrome". I downloaded the rpm and clicked on it to be installed by "Install/Remove software". There were some missing dependencies (libjpeg, lsb) and "Install software" did not complain about the missing packages. It just went on infinitely moving the progress bar. So I had to cancel that and resume the installation from terminal (which is how I came to know of the missing packages)
This is probably the same as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615567 We'll have an online update for PackageKit after 11.3 is out, and that should fix it. See the PackageKit package in home:sreeves1:test_branch.
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
- There is a lot of screen flickering during booting. Atleast 3 times, the screen goes colourless (not blank) with only busy mouse pointer shown. This flickering instead of showing the splash screen and gdm screen, is a usability problem.
I guess having some plymouth love during the next cycle would help.
Last but not the least, booting is fast.
Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 6/24/2010 at 08:03 PM, in message <20100624143347.GX1996@vuntz.net>, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
Hi,
Though I have been running some factory packages for a while, I just managed to do a full GNOME install of 11.3 on a bare metal and below are some feedback.
- Login time is amazing. It seemed almost instantaneous since the moment I clicked on Login in GDM and the panel appeared with background loaded
- Logout OTOH seem to take a lot more time than what it took with 11.2 In fact everytime when I select logout from gnome-do's menu, it takes atleast 10 seconds till I get my GDM screen (4G RAM machine)
No idea why this would happen.
- I tried installing "Google Chrome". I downloaded the rpm and clicked on it to be installed by "Install/Remove software". There were some missing dependencies (libjpeg, lsb) and "Install software" did not complain about the missing packages. It just went on infinitely moving the progress bar. So I had to cancel that and resume the installation from terminal (which is how I came to know of the missing packages)
This is probably the same as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=615567
We'll have an online update for PackageKit after 11.3 is out, and that should fix it. See the PackageKit package in home:sreeves1:test_branch.
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
If I select themes from the right-click menu on desktop, I see an error message: The selected theme will not work properly as the corresponding icon set is not installed (or) some error message on these lines. It kind of appears bad if we show such an error for a default install. I (and many others I believe) have been using sonar-icon theme and it will be nice if we can get it packaged.
- There is a lot of screen flickering during booting. Atleast 3 times, the screen goes colourless (not blank) with only busy mouse pointer shown. This flickering instead of showing the splash screen and gdm screen, is a usability problem.
I guess having some plymouth love during the next cycle would help.
Last but not the least, booting is fast.
Vincent
Sankar -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 10:37 -0600, Sankar P a écrit :
On 6/24/2010 at 08:03 PM, in message <20100624143347.GX1996@vuntz.net>, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
If I select themes from the right-click menu on desktop, I see an error message:
The selected theme will not work properly as the corresponding icon set is not installed
(or) some error message on these lines.
Ah, well, it's not really an error. It turns out it recommends the use of the icon theme. /usr/share/themes/Sonar/index.theme should be changed to recommend the icon theme we use by default (gilouche? I forgot) Any volunteer?
It kind of appears bad if we show such an error for a default install. I (and many others I believe) have been using sonar-icon theme and it will be nice if we can get it packaged.
zypper in sonar-icon-theme Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 10:37 -0600, Sankar P a écrit :
On 6/24/2010 at 08:03 PM, in message <20100624143347.GX1996@vuntz.net>, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
If I select themes from the right-click menu on desktop, I see an error message:
The selected theme will not work properly as the corresponding icon set is not installed
(or) some error message on these lines.
Ah, well, it's not really an error. It turns out it recommends the use of the icon theme. /usr/share/themes/Sonar/index.theme should be changed to recommend the icon theme we use by default (gilouche? I forgot)
Any volunteer?
Requests created: 42021
It kind of appears bad if we show such an error for a default install. I (and many others I believe) have been using sonar-icon theme and it will be nice if we can get it packaged.
zypper in sonar-icon-theme
Yes, it is very easy to get this installed later. But a warning/error message on default installation on first-look wont give a good impression, which is what I was worried about. Thanks. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 16:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
I feel quite bad about the sonar-icon-theme not making it as a default theme to 11.3. Of course, I will install and use it anyway, now that I have seen how brilliant it looks with all the new icons for the toolbars and everything on 11.3. But a new user who does not know about the sonar-icon-theme is stuck with an icon theme that does not gel well at all with the 11.2/11.3 branding. There is of course https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559550 and the package is also available from the oss repository. Given the great first impression it makes, it would be, very useful to get this into the DVD and default gnome pattern, and the Live-CD now that there is enough space. Can't we get this in by RC2, or make a special request about it or something? Please do reconsider getting the sonar-icon-theme in by default. It ain't seem much, but good first impressions really help and that includes a complete theme concept/branding. The 11.3 branding is really incomplete without the sonar-icon-theme. Thanks -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 23:10 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya a écrit :
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 16:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
I feel quite bad about the sonar-icon-theme not making it as a default theme to 11.3. Of course, I will install and use it anyway, now that I have seen how brilliant it looks with all the new icons for the toolbars and everything on 11.3. But a new user who does not know about the sonar-icon-theme is stuck with an icon theme that does not gel well at all with the 11.2/11.3 branding. There is of course https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559550 and the package is also available from the oss repository. Given the great first impression it makes, it would be, very useful to get this into the DVD and default gnome pattern, and the Live-CD now that there is enough space. Can't we get this in by RC2, or make a special request about it or something?
Feel free to ask coolo. But IMHO, RC2 is quite late for this. And yes, I would have loved to have it by default. Note that we do have enough size now only because a language got removed very recently from the livecd. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Dňa 24.06.2010 20:02, Vincent Untz wrote / napísal(a):
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 23:10 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya a écrit :
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 16:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
I feel quite bad about the sonar-icon-theme not making it as a default theme to 11.3. Of course, I will install and use it anyway, now that I have seen how brilliant it looks with all the new icons for the toolbars and everything on 11.3. But a new user who does not know about the sonar-icon-theme is stuck with an icon theme that does not gel well at all with the 11.2/11.3 branding. There is of course https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559550 and the package is also available from the oss repository. Given the great first impression it makes, it would be, very useful to get this into the DVD and default gnome pattern, and the Live-CD now that there is enough space. Can't we get this in by RC2, or make a special request about it or something?
Feel free to ask coolo. But IMHO, RC2 is quite late for this. And yes, I would have loved to have it by default. Note that we do have enough size now only because a language got removed very recently from the livecd.
Vincent
And what would happen if final 11.3 would be released a day, or a week later? -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Il giorno gio, 24/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0200, Rastislav Krupanský ha scritto:
Dňa 24.06.2010 20:02, Vincent Untz wrote / napísal(a):
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 23:10 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya a écrit :
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 16:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
Sonar is the default GTK+ theme, but not the default icon theme. There was not enough size on the livecd (now there is, but it's too late).
I feel quite bad about the sonar-icon-theme not making it as a default theme to 11.3. Of course, I will install and use it anyway, now that I have seen how brilliant it looks with all the new icons for the toolbars and everything on 11.3. But a new user who does not know about the sonar-icon-theme is stuck with an icon theme that does not gel well at all with the 11.2/11.3 branding. There is of course https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=559550 and the package is also available from the oss repository. Given the great first impression it makes, it would be, very useful to get this into the DVD and default gnome pattern, and the Live-CD now that there is enough space. Can't we get this in by RC2, or make a special request about it or something?
Feel free to ask coolo. But IMHO, RC2 is quite late for this. And yes, I would have loved to have it by default. Note that we do have enough size now only because a language got removed very recently from the livecd.
Vincent
And what would happen if final 11.3 would be released a day, or a week later?
--
S pozdravom / Best regards,
Rasto
Mmmh... Perhaps Untz and the others developers responsible for the delay, would be severely punished by Novell :-P -- Marco Calistri <marco.calistri@yahoo.com.br>
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 22:18 -0300, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Il giorno gio, 24/06/2010 alle 21.11 +0200, Rastislav Krupanský ha scritto:
Dňa 24.06.2010 20:02, Vincent Untz wrote / napísal(a):
Le mercredi 23 juin 2010, à 01:01 +0530, Sankar P a écrit :
- Sonar icon theme is not installed by default (installed my system from the live-cd) (Isnt sonar the default theme ?)
[...]
Feel free to ask coolo. But IMHO, RC2 is quite late for this. And yes, I would have loved to have it by default. Note that we do have enough size now only because a language got removed very recently from the livecd.
Vincent
And what would happen if final 11.3 would be released a day, or a week later?
It's not about 11.3 final, but about RC2. RC2 is supposed to be as close as possible to the goldmaster, and we only fix really important & visible bugs for RC2. The default theme is not in that category. [...]
Mmmh... Perhaps Untz and the others developers responsible for the delay, would be severely punished by Novell :-P
I know it's a joke, but just to clarify things: I'm pretty sure that Novell will be happy as long as we help the openSUSE project deliver a good 11.3 final release. This includes respecting the announced schedule, unless there are valid reasons (where "valid reasons" is something that we, the community, define). Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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