Hi Srini, Le vendredi 29 février 2008 à 10:05 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan a écrit :

Guys,

We have done some pretty good improvements to SPAM filtering in Evolution 2.22

(*) White list support (*) Header based filtering (You can check for headers set by SpamPal or SpamAssasin or any such server side spam headers hints). It will be a lot faster, as you decide a spam without downloading the message.

Currently we are having SpamAssassin as the default junk filter and I remember lot of people having issues with SA (in-terms of speed, resources it occupies, memory, processes etc).

I'm proposing to make Bogofilter as the default junk filter for Evolution. Any thoughts to it?

Makes sense to me. Bogofilter works quite well (ok, I'm using it outside of evo, but that's still true ;-)). Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 10:05 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:

Currently we are having SpamAssassin as the default junk filter and I remember lot of people having issues with SA (in-terms of speed, resources it occupies, memory, processes etc).

I'm proposing to make Bogofilter as the default junk filter for Evolution. Any thoughts to it?

Yes, yes, yes, please! :) I'm extremely happy with how Bogofilter works in Evolution. It's fast, doesn't seem to eat memory, and It Works(tm). The only problem I had is that when first setting it up, it seemed to need to be trained both for spam *and* ham (otherwise no ham showed up on my inbox). I don't know if it would be possible for Evo to detect that Bogofilter is not configured yet, and feed it your first batch of ham just the first time. Federico -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 12:47 -0500, JP Rosevear wrote:

On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 11:13 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

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On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 10:05 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:

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Currently we are having SpamAssassin as the default junk filter and I remember lot of people having issues with SA (in-terms of speed, resources it occupies, memory, processes etc).

I'm proposing to make Bogofilter as the default junk filter for Evolution. Any thoughts to it?

Yes, yes, yes, please! :)

I'm extremely happy with how Bogofilter works in Evolution. It's fast, doesn't seem to eat memory, and It Works(tm).

The only problem I had is that when first setting it up, it seemed to need to be trained both for spam *and* ham (otherwise no ham showed up on my inbox). I don't know if it would be possible for Evo to detect that Bogofilter is not configured yet, and feed it your first batch of ham just the first time.

This would need to be addressed then. "Where's all my mail" is not a question I look forward to answering thousands of times.

-JP -- JP Rosevear Novell, Inc.

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I have to say I agree and was just about to answer when JP beat me to the punch. As someone who has installed and configured many a-email server with anti-spam services, the HAM portion is always a very tricky part when users are involved. I would definitely want us to consider testing usability to ensure that users can easily understand and resolve their own HAM filtering issues. I'm all for testing this though as this looks like a promising and much-needed feature. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 11:13 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 10:05 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:

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Currently we are having SpamAssassin as the default junk filter and I remember lot of people having issues with SA (in-terms of speed, resources it occupies, memory, processes etc).

I'm proposing to make Bogofilter as the default junk filter for Evolution. Any thoughts to it?

Yes, yes, yes, please! :)

I'm extremely happy with how Bogofilter works in Evolution. It's fast, doesn't seem to eat memory, and It Works(tm).

Sure federico. I started looking at speeding up spam with whitelist and header based filter after reading your blog on "manual junk detection faster than Evolution". I have got positive responses for this decison both upstream as well as here.

The only problem I had is that when first setting it up, it seemed to need to be trained both for spam *and* ham (otherwise no ham showed up on my inbox). I don't know if it would be possible for Evo to detect that Bogofilter is not configured yet, and feed it your first batch of ham just the first time.

There is not documented/direct way. If you know any ways it is possible, I can get that done easily. -Srini. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

I don't know if it would be possible for Evo to detect that Bogofilter is not configured yet, and feed it your first batch of ham just the first time.

If Evo has existing archived mail and sent mail folders, it could use those to seed the ham and whitelist configurations automatically. You have to be careful with screw cases, however. I knew a guy who saved every email, including spam, he ever recieved. Nick Matsakis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 16:40 +0100, Stanislav Brabec wrote:

Srinivasa Ragavan píše v So 01. 03. 2008 v 00:17 +0530:

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On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 11:13 -0600, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

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The only problem I had is that when first setting it up, it seemed to need to be trained both for spam *and* ham (otherwise no ham showed up on my inbox). I don't know if it would be possible for Evo to detect that Bogofilter is not configured yet, and feed it your first batch of ham just the first time.

There is not documented/direct way. If you know any ways it is possible, I can get that done easily.

I can imagine following scenario:

- User clicked to the mail - Mail is displayed - User left the mail in place or moved manually somewhere => It is a HAM Nice thought. But this cannot be applied always and can't be foolproof also. Get another thing that passing these through pipe to the spam daemon is gonna be slow. You can't keep doing it always. You need to know if it has sufficient to know it by itself, and there is no way you can know it.

Another thing is that, I'm not sure which distro, but one of the distros ship a predefined database for Bogofilter or Spam assassin (Pardon my memory). I have heard it from some community guys. It is indeed a good idea. So your spam filter starts working out of the box. -Srini -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

(Sorry for the bad email formatting, forced to use Outlook atm) Microsoft does this for their mail products that include spam filtering as well, but they use their own junk mail filtering software, so I'd believe it should work well in practice. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Wolf [mailto:maw@novell.com] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:33 AM To: Srinivasa Ragavan Cc: Stanislav Brabec; Federico Mena Quintero; opensuse-gnome Subject: Re: [opensuse-gnome] Evolution Spam filtering On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 22:44 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:

Another thing is that, I'm not sure which distro, but one of the distros ship a predefined database for Bogofilter or Spam assassin (Pardon my memory). I have heard it from some community guys. It is indeed a good idea. So your spam filter starts working out of the box.

Interesting. Any idea how well it works in practice? I can imagine people in some legitimate professions, such as doctors, jewelers, bankers, and immigration lawyers, starting out with a lot of false positives. Michael. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org