[opensuse-gnome] Make gnome-main-menu pluginable
Hi all, Here is the thing: 1. I use gnome-main-menu a lot, but seldom use "Place". The reasons maybe: a) I use terminal a lot. b) The current default setting of Nautilus having the place at the left side. If I use Nautilus a lot, there will always running a Nautilus window. if the left side of the Nautilus window was not covered by other applications, one click is enough. if the left side of the Nautilus window was covered by other applications, "Atl+Table" and one click is my first choise. second choise requires 2 steps: 1. look at my panel and click on a Running Nautilus Button 2. click on the place at the left side of the Nautilus. But if I want to use gnome-main-menu to find the place, there required 3 steps: 1. look at my panel and click on the "Computer" 2. click the "Place" button. 3. click the needed place. If I don't use Nautilus a lot, gnome-main-menu will be helpful. But in this case, most time, I'm back to a). And a 'cd' command will be more helpful. Admitedly, the count of the steps did not mean all as each of the step I use in gnome-main-menu takes less time. I don't know what is the status in the others' usage. But I think I am not the target user of "Place". 2. I read articals and bugs about recently used files, the requirements were quit different: recently meeting, recently appointment, recently saved files. I have my own requirement and I guess some developers have the same one: recently bugs. hehe I'm working on replacing "Place" with "Bugs" in my gnome-main-menu.
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David Liang.
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 13:30 -0600, David Liang wrote:
I read articals and bugs about recently used files, the requirements were quit different: recently meeting, recently appointment, recently saved files. I have my own requirement and I guess some developers have the same one: recently bugs. hehe
Hi, David, nice to read you here :) I think you'll be interested to look at the gnome-zeitgeist project. Seif Lotfy, Natan Yellin and others have been coding the idea that I presented during the last GUADEC, about having a "journal" showing your most recent stuff: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeZeitgeist That page is a bit outdated, but feel free to hang around the #gnome-zeitgeist channel in irc.gnome.org - Seif and Natan are quite responsive there. [To *really* answer your question --- I don't think it's worthwhile to extend gnome-main-menu at this point. We should rather look into "big-picture" things like gnome-shell and gnome-zeitgeist...] Federico
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It's so nice that you still take an interest. If you look at this half-dead mailing-list you oftentimes get the impression Novell laid-off its GNOME community when it laid-off its developers. One wonders how smart this move proves in the long term... Anyway, what do you think will the business-novellanians do about the GNOME 3 thang? I cannot imagine SLED going that path. Thus I have an even harder time believing Novell will be a positive force in GNOME 3's development. Greets, Chris Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 21:07 -0500 schrieb Federico Mena Quintero:
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 13:30 -0600, David Liang wrote:
I read articals and bugs about recently used files, the requirements were quit different: recently meeting, recently appointment, recently saved files. I have my own requirement and I guess some developers have the same one: recently bugs. hehe
Hi, David, nice to read you here :)
I think you'll be interested to look at the gnome-zeitgeist project. Seif Lotfy, Natan Yellin and others have been coding the idea that I presented during the last GUADEC, about having a "journal" showing your most recent stuff:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeZeitgeist
That page is a bit outdated, but feel free to hang around the #gnome-zeitgeist channel in irc.gnome.org - Seif and Natan are quite responsive there.
[To *really* answer your question --- I don't think it's worthwhile to extend gnome-main-menu at this point. We should rather look into "big-picture" things like gnome-shell and gnome-zeitgeist...]
Federico
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Le vendredi 01 mai 2009, à 16:21 +0200, Christian Jäger a écrit :
It's so nice that you still take an interest. If you look at this half-dead mailing-list you oftentimes get the impression Novell laid-off its GNOME community when it laid-off its developers. One wonders how smart this move proves in the long term...
I wouldn't really say the mailing list is half-dead... Is it less active than it was? (I would think the contrary, actually)
Anyway, what do you think will the business-novellanians do about the GNOME 3 thang? I cannot imagine SLED going that path. Thus I have an even harder time believing Novell will be a positive force in GNOME 3's development.
Why? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, den 01.05.2009, 23:46 +0200 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Anyway, what do you think will the business-novellanians do about the GNOME 3 thang? I cannot imagine SLED going that path. Thus I have an even harder time believing Novell will be a positive force in GNOME 3's development.
Why?
SLED has a profile as an alternative to Windows that doesn't require re-learning how to handle a computer. GNOME 3 with gnome-shell as its primary interface will certainly not feel familiar to ex-Windows-users. Thus I don't think Novell has an interest in developing it. Greets, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le samedi 02 mai 2009, à 00:05 +0200, Christian Jäger a écrit :
Am Freitag, den 01.05.2009, 23:46 +0200 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Anyway, what do you think will the business-novellanians do about the GNOME 3 thang? I cannot imagine SLED going that path. Thus I have an even harder time believing Novell will be a positive force in GNOME 3's development.
Why?
SLED has a profile as an alternative to Windows that doesn't require re-learning how to handle a computer. GNOME 3 with gnome-shell as its primary interface will certainly not feel familiar to ex-Windows-users. Thus I don't think Novell has an interest in developing it.
A few quick comments: + GNOME 3 is more than just GNOME Shell :-) There are many other things that are happening + I know nearly nothing about SLED business, but I can imagine that some people will want SLED with GNOME Shell because it's good + there will most probably a gnome-panel 2.30 that will behave like the gnome-panel that you have right now, but that will be 3.0-ready for people who don't like GNOME Shell, or companies who need something more "usual" + I didn't hear anything negative from Novell people about GNOME 3 so far. Maybe I'm not listening enough, though ;-) (good timing, btw: I've started working on a gnome-shell package yesterday) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Novell is contributing a lot of time and resources to the new at-spi dbus stuff. That's the area that our team is focusing on, so I'm not sure what other groups are doing and we happen to be a SLED team :) Our stuff is at http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility Stephen On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Le samedi 02 mai 2009, à 00:05 +0200, Christian Jäger a écrit :
Am Freitag, den 01.05.2009, 23:46 +0200 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Anyway, what do you think will the business-novellanians do about the GNOME 3 thang? I cannot imagine SLED going that path. Thus I have an even harder time believing Novell will be a positive force in GNOME 3's development.
Why?
SLED has a profile as an alternative to Windows that doesn't require re-learning how to handle a computer. GNOME 3 with gnome-shell as its primary interface will certainly not feel familiar to ex-Windows-users. Thus I don't think Novell has an interest in developing it.
A few quick comments:
+ GNOME 3 is more than just GNOME Shell :-) There are many other things that are happening
+ I know nearly nothing about SLED business, but I can imagine that some people will want SLED with GNOME Shell because it's good
+ there will most probably a gnome-panel 2.30 that will behave like the gnome-panel that you have right now, but that will be 3.0-ready for people who don't like GNOME Shell, or companies who need something more "usual"
+ I didn't hear anything negative from Novell people about GNOME 3 so far. Maybe I'm not listening enough, though ;-)
(good timing, btw: I've started working on a gnome-shell package yesterday)
Cheers,
Vincent
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Am Samstag, den 02.05.2009, 18:01 -0600 schrieb Stephen Shaw:
Novell is contributing a lot of time and resources to the new at-spi dbus stuff. That's the area that our team is focusing on, so I'm not sure what other groups are doing and we happen to be a SLED team :) Our stuff is at http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility
That's great, but not exactly helping GNOME. There is some impression that Novell is firing devs from the regular teams and hiring only for the MONO team; that's certainly not good for Novell's rep in the wider community. No offense meant. Am Samstag, den 02.05.2009, 01:19 +0200 schrieb Vincent Untz:
A few quick comments:
+ there will most probably a gnome-panel 2.30 that will behave like the gnome-panel that you have right now, but that will be 3.0-ready for people who don't like GNOME Shell, or companies who need something more "usual"
So, there may be sense in developing, for example, SLAB, the new gnome-main-menu further? In that case, please have a look at some of the improvements suggestions on bugzilla; slab and the app-browser could do much better if they made some options easily discoverable - like adding favorites etc. Also, who in the world will know that a thing called 'yast' with an ant-eater-icon actually opens something like administrator-settings?
+ I didn't hear anything negative from Novell people about GNOME 3 so far. Maybe I'm not listening enough, though ;-)
Your comments have been quite re-assuring, thanks Vincent!
(good timing, btw: I've started working on a gnome-shell package yesterday)
Great, let me know when it's ready; I'm always happy when I can save myself some compiling. ;) Thanks for the answers! Greets, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 04 mai 2009, à 00:08 +0200, Christian Jäger a écrit :
Am Samstag, den 02.05.2009, 01:19 +0200 schrieb Vincent Untz:
A few quick comments:
+ there will most probably a gnome-panel 2.30 that will behave like the gnome-panel that you have right now, but that will be 3.0-ready for people who don't like GNOME Shell, or companies who need something more "usual"
So, there may be sense in developing, for example, SLAB, the new gnome-main-menu further? In that case, please have a look at some of the improvements suggestions on bugzilla; slab and the app-browser could do much better if they made some options easily discoverable - like adding favorites etc.
Oh, gnome-main-menu development probably shouldn't completely stop. I guess we just need people to look at it. I guess we could even bribe Magnus ;-)
Also, who in the world will know that a thing called 'yast' with an ant-eater-icon actually opens something like administrator-settings?
Definitely agree. Did you file a bug about this? Because I know I wanted to file one... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 16:40 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Definitely agree. Did you file a bug about this? Because I know I wanted to file one...
I've had a couple different bugs filed against this: Bug #436758 & #386359 -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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