[opensuse-gnome] Proposed changes wrt policy
Hi, Context: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy Here's a list of changes that I propose to remove: /apps/file-roller/listing/list_mode: no need to diverge from upstream on this /apps/ghex2/datafont /apps/ghex2/headerfont: we don't even ship ghex by default, so I don't think it's useful to change the default fonts /apps/stickynotes_applet/defaults/color /apps/stickynotes_applet/settings/use_system_color: we're using tomboy now, so no need for those changes /apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change. /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player) gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why? If nobody complains, I'll remove those changes in a week or so. Also, here's a list of settings that we change and that might need some rationale if we want to keep the changes: /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_mnemonics /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_menu_accelerators /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces /apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound Please discuss :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Context: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy
Here's a list of changes that I propose to remove:
/apps/file-roller/listing/list_mode: no need to diverge from upstream on this
/apps/ghex2/datafont /apps/ghex2/headerfont: we don't even ship ghex by default, so I don't think it's useful to change the default fonts
/apps/stickynotes_applet/defaults/color /apps/stickynotes_applet/settings/use_system_color: we're using tomboy now, so no need for those changes
/apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change.
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why?
If nobody complains, I'll remove those changes in a week or so.
I have no objections to removing any of these.
Also, here's a list of settings that we change and that might need some rationale if we want to keep the changes:
/apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_mnemonics /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_menu_accelerators
I think we'd be fine just going with the upstream settings for these, although F10 is the quit key for Midnight Commander. I guess people/sites that are so into their terminal apps will know how to configure their terminal, and quite likely are doing so already.
/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility
We're currently setting this to FALSE. If we keep this setting, I'd vote for setting it to TRUE instead, although it probably makes login and some other things slower, and it's triggered nasty bugs before (like the one where moving the emacs window around would leave the cursor grabbed).
/apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces
Looks like it's set to 1. Didn't we decide at some point that we should default to 4 now? If that aligns well with upstream, we could just drop the override, I guess.
/apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound
I would like this to remain set to "never". In my experience, sound preview is unexpected and possibly also rude, and the sound usually plays too late anyway, which makes it unintuitive. It might be that it's turned off upstream too, but it would be nice to keep this override as an extra insurance :) -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 15:40 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Context: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy
Here's a list of changes that I propose to remove:
/apps/file-roller/listing/list_mode: no need to diverge from upstream on this
/apps/ghex2/datafont /apps/ghex2/headerfont: we don't even ship ghex by default, so I don't think it's useful to change the default fonts
/apps/stickynotes_applet/defaults/color /apps/stickynotes_applet/settings/use_system_color: we're using tomboy now, so no need for those changes
/apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change.
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why?
If nobody complains, I'll remove those changes in a week or so.
I have no objections to removing any of these.
+1
Also, here's a list of settings that we change and that might need some rationale if we want to keep the changes:
/apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_mnemonics /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_menu_accelerators
I think we'd be fine just going with the upstream settings for these, although F10 is the quit key for Midnight Commander. I guess people/sites that are so into their terminal apps will know how to configure their terminal, and quite likely are doing so already.
F10 for MC works fine in gnome-terminal now. A lot of accelerators were removed upstream I think.
/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility
We're currently setting this to FALSE. If we keep this setting, I'd vote for setting it to TRUE instead, although it probably makes login and some other things slower, and it's triggered nasty bugs before (like the one where moving the emacs window around would leave the cursor grabbed).
Don't know what it is so leave this up to others.
/apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces
Looks like it's set to 1. Didn't we decide at some point that we should default to 4 now? If that aligns well with upstream, we could just drop the override, I guess.
Not sure if it was decided but it feels as most people agree that we should use 4.
/apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound
I would like this to remain set to "never". In my experience, sound preview is unexpected and possibly also rude, and the sound usually plays too late anyway, which makes it unintuitive.
It might be that it's turned off upstream too, but it would be nice to keep this override as an extra insurance :)
Also, it *feels* as if the desktop stops loading and it played the sound. +1 for never.
-- Hans Petter
Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Context: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy
Here's a list of changes that I propose to remove:
/apps/file-roller/listing/list_mode: no need to diverge from upstream on this
/apps/ghex2/datafont /apps/ghex2/headerfont: we don't even ship ghex by default, so I don't think it's useful to change the default fonts
Agree, seems pretty silly in a little used app.
/apps/stickynotes_applet/defaults/color /apps/stickynotes_applet/settings/use_system_color: we're using tomboy now, so no need for those changes
Definitely.
/apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=157022
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
Have to trust you on that - presumably we need to get the defaults in nautilus right though?
gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why?
If this causes https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=380496 we definitely need to do it anyway.
If nobody complains, I'll remove those changes in a week or so.
Also, here's a list of settings that we change and that might need some rationale if we want to keep the changes:
/apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_mnemonics /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_menu_accelerators
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330754 There is a bnc bug somewhere too.
/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces
+1 for going back to the default 4
/apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound
+1 for keeping this, I fail to see a pressing need for it. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 22 avril 2008, à 19:51 -0400, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
/apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change.
Let's keep it for now, then.
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
Have to trust you on that - presumably we need to get the defaults in nautilus right though?
It has to be handled the same way we define default mime handlers -- ie, I have no idea how they are currently defined ;-) I'm sure it's not in nautilus, though. Help welcome.
gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why?
If this causes https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=380496 we definitely need to do it anyway.
If Albany is in agfa-fonts, then yes, that's the cause. [...]
/apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound
+1 for keeping this, I fail to see a pressing need for it.
Heh, I'm the only one who likes this feature ;-) No problem with keeping the change. Vincent, heading to bed now -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 02:06 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 22 avril 2008, à 19:51 -0400, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
Have to trust you on that - presumably we need to get the defaults in nautilus right though?
It has to be handled the same way we define default mime handlers -- ie, I have no idea how they are currently defined ;-) I'm sure it's not in nautilus, though. Help welcome.
Stanislav's defaults stuff is in glib2. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 23 avril 2008, à 08:36 -0400, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 02:06 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 22 avril 2008, à 19:51 -0400, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
Have to trust you on that - presumably we need to get the defaults in nautilus right though?
It has to be handled the same way we define default mime handlers -- ie, I have no idea how they are currently defined ;-) I'm sure it's not in nautilus, though. Help welcome.
Stanislav's defaults stuff is in glib2.
Good. I've opened a few bugs: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=382757 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=382761 Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 22 avril 2008, à 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
A few more comments, related to the multimedia keys: /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/eject set to <Control><Alt>Delete /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/volume_mute set to 0xa0 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/volume_down set to 0xae /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/volume_up set to 0xb0 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/eject set to 0xcc /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/search set to 0xe5 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/email set to 0xec /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/help set to 0xf5 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/www set to 0xb2 However, upstream, we have: <Control><Alt>Delete already set for /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/power (so conflict) And those keys are used: XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, XF86Eject, XF86Search, XF86Mail, XF86WWW (none set for /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/help, though) The few keys I have on this laptop don't work (there's a bug opened for this), so I can't check. But I must admit upstream defaults seem to make sense to me. Does anyone have enough knowledge of how X keyboard input work to know what should be done? Or should I directly ask the X guys? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:12 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 22 avril 2008, à 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
A few more comments, related to the multimedia keys:
/apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/eject set to <Control><Alt>Delete
CTRL-ALT-DEL is supposed for many users coming from other OS'es to mean restart or 'open the task manager', so having it for ejecting doesn't make sense to me. Will remove it myself if nobody disagrees
/apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/volume_mute set to 0xa0 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/volume_down set to 0xae /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/volume_up set to 0xb0 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/eject set to 0xcc /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/search set to 0xe5 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/email set to 0xec /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/help set to 0xf5 /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/www set to 0xb2
However, upstream, we have:
<Control><Alt>Delete already set for /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/power (so conflict)
And those keys are used: XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume, XF86Eject, XF86Search, XF86Mail, XF86WWW (none set for /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/keybindings/help, though)
The few keys I have on this laptop don't work (there's a bug opened for this), so I can't check. But I must admit upstream defaults seem to make sense to me.
yes, seems better to me also. I'll remove the patches if nobody disagrees, and will patch upstream to include a sane default for Help -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
/apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_mnemonics /apps/gnome-terminal/global/use_menu_accelerators
I'm ok with removing these
/desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility /apps/metacity/general/num_workspaces
going with upstream default seems better to me
/apps/nautilus/preferences/preview_sound
it's a nice feature, so I would keep it enabled by default -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Small update: Le mardi 22 avril 2008, à 21:59 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
Context: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy
Here's a list of changes that I propose to remove:
/apps/file-roller/listing/list_mode: no need to diverge from upstream on this
Removed.
/apps/ghex2/datafont /apps/ghex2/headerfont: we don't even ship ghex by default, so I don't think it's useful to change the default fonts
Removed.
/apps/stickynotes_applet/defaults/color /apps/stickynotes_applet/settings/use_system_color: we're using tomboy now, so no need for those changes
Removed.
/apps/procman/proctree/col_15_visible: I'm not sure why we make this change.
Kept for now (JP linked to a bug).
/desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn_audio_cd_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto_command /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoburn /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autophoto /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoipod: all handled by nautilus now (using mimetype like x-content/audio-player)
Removed, except for the photo ones: I'm not sure what's the status here, and would need to check.
gnumeric - gnumeric-pro-fonts.patch: this changes some fonts. Why?
Removed. Don't know if it makes sense to keep agfa-fonts in Recommends. It doesn't harm, but it's not really needed... I've also update ephy homepage to www.opensuse.org. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 17:18 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Removed. Don't know if it makes sense to keep agfa-fonts in Recommends. It doesn't harm, but it's not really needed...
As per the bug I reference previously it definitely needs removing. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mardi 29 avril 2008, à 22:41 -0400, JP Rosevear a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 17:18 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Removed. Don't know if it makes sense to keep agfa-fonts in Recommends. It doesn't harm, but it's not really needed...
As per the bug I reference previously it definitely needs removing.
As far as I understand it, Recommends makes it possible to install gnumeric without those fonts (but will install them if available). So the bug is fixed. I'm just not sure we should recommend non-free fonts. Oh well, I'll go ahead and stop recommending them :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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