However, this F-spot does not run when I try and execute it and so I don't know what it even looks like or is capable of doing.

Can you file a bug ? My +1 for changing f-spot to shotwell, if and only if there is a way for users to automatically import photoes from shotwell. I usually use picasa and am happy with it. So I am not a power user of both. But I see all distros moving to shotwell and don't see much of a bright future for f-spot personally, so will recommend for this activity. Sankar Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are personal. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Le vendredi 10 juin 2011, à 05:02 -0600, Sankar P a écrit :

My +1 for changing f-spot to shotwell, if and only if there is a way for users to automatically import photoes from shotwell.

I installed shotwell this morning and the first thing it asked me is if I wanted to import pictures from the xdg directory for my pictures and from f-spot. So, yes, it does that :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On 2011-06-10 17:10, Vincent Untz wrote: installed shotwell this morning and the first thing it asked me is if

I wanted to import pictures from the xdg directory for my pictures and from f-spot. So, yes, it does that :-)

Each of the two has features the other doesn't. Depends on which feature you need most, you prefer one or the other. I use both. I think the default app should be the one with the most active development. Sooner or later, it will pass over the other app. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)

On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 19:46 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 10/06/11 18:44, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Hi, I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application. Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot. This is an interesting question which I didn't even think about until you raised this matter. The bug in the ointment here is that I am using oS GNOME 3 and which has F-spot installed as a default app..

Under GNOME3 / 11.3 F-Spot works [and starts] for me without issue.

However, this F-spot does not run when I try and execute it and so I don't know what it even looks like or is capable of doing. On the other hand, I just installed shotwell - and it runs when clicked on. While I have no idea which one is really capable of doing - not having used either of them - but just from my experience over the past several minutes I would have to go with shotwell simply because it actually runs when executed.

This seems like a thin evaluation to me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, June 10, 2011 15:10:34 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

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I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.

I have 10,000+ images in F-Spot. I like F-Spot, but if there is a migration path, I'm fine with switching. A migration path is key. For me F-Spot and Shotwell seem more or less functionally identical [almost comically so - I really enjoyed all Shotwells feature claims, all of which F-Spot already had, but whatever. I guess even Open Source has bullshit and marketing-think].

Why is migration path so important for several folks here? Please enlighten me... Vincent did not propose to drop f-spot, just to change the default of what gets installed in a new installation. So, this means, if you update, you keep f-spot and get shotwell installed as additional application and can decide which ones to use. New users would only get shotwell - and could easily install f-spot if needed, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{novell.com,suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-15 07:44, Sankar P wrote:

Some people I know don't update via zypper dup. Instead they mount the DVD and do a new installation, formatting / paritition and keeping the /home in a separate partition. In such cases this will be helpful. Also, If we are expecting people to change to shotwell, as we find it to be the most actively developed, we should help users migrate their collections from F-Spot to shotwell so that they can switch and at the same time dont need to launch a different app. to see old data. For instance, I still use pidgin (instead of empathy) as empathy cannot read/import the logs of pidgin which I have maintained for few years. So, instead of using both pidgin and empathy I am struck with pidgin.

Shotwell can import from folder, without copying the files: it just lists the photos in its database. And it detects duplicates, which sometimes can be a nuisance if the photo has been moved to another folder. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk34kWIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X/EQCfYtVzn5IK8QvEJzAnN4+j4JO4 e1oAmwRV8yHjUSY/njmKUgHOKVV186T1 =PUoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

(Apologies for my mis-sent draft of this email..below is what I was trying to say) I have extensively used both F-Spot and Shotwell, as well as supported passionate users of both applications I find Shotwell an 'easier' and more 'intuitive' application, and certainly has much more active development F-Spot however has some unique features that make it better for certain circumstances. Shotwell seems to be catching up in these areas very quickly though As this conversation is about the 'default', I would vote for Shotwell being made the new default. I also vote that F-Spot remains an optional package for upgrading users and those who want F-Spot for its unique features. This should avoid 'Migration' becoming an issue and leaves the door open for a reversal of the decision if F-Spot development picks up again Cheers Richard

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Adam Tauno Williams 6/10/2011 6:42 PM >>> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 20:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I want to raise the question of our default photo manager applicatio Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot. My vote is for f-spot. I like both its grid-display and filter by date feature as well as its lovely export features (not just to web-albums like flickr and picasa, but even to a local folder to create a "standalone gallery" and so on). At this point having used both shotwell and f-spot, I think f-spot is way ahead in terms of features, stability and interface. To understand wha I mean by f-spot having a better interface consider this: I am not even sure if I can view all photographs taken in the date range 01/01/2009 -- 01/01/2011 in the shotwell library view, while I can easily do that in f-spot by using "filter by date". Sure I can individually see photos from 2011, 2010 and so on even in shotwell but not over a range of dates (and I do use that pretty often).

If the date-ranging in Shotwell is not equivalent to F-Spot I'd vote for keeping F-Spot [and consider Shotwell broken/deficient]. For me F-Spot has been stable and performance. Good. With the exception of the export filters which, while very nice, tend to be quite buggy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org