[opensuse-gnome] f-spot vs shotwell (for default photo manager)
Hi, I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application. Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Quoting Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org>:
Hi,
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application.
Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it.
I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
I for myself switched to shotwell a fair amount of time ago as well and the felt speed is faster, which was for me enough reason to stay with it (but I only have ~ 10k fotos in the library). I would give my own vote to shotwell in this case. Dominique
On 10 June 2011 09:44, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi,
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application.
Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it.
I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
I personally prefer f-spot. I find it has more features than shotwell. I also find f-spot to be much faster than shotwell for startup, import and general responsiveness. So keep f-spot, please :-) Andy -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 10/06/11 18:44, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application.
Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it.
I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
Cheers,
Vincent
This is an interesting question which I didn't even think about until you raised this matter. The bug in the ointment here is that I am using oS GNOME 3 and which has F-spot installed as a default app.. However, this F-spot does not run when I try and execute it and so I don't know what it even looks like or is capable of doing. On the other hand, I just installed shotwell - and it runs when clicked on. While I have no idea which one is really capable of doing - not having used either of them - but just from my experience over the past several minutes I would have to go with shotwell simply because it actually runs when executed. BC -- To YOU I am an Atheist; to God I am the Loyal Opposition. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
However, this F-spot does not run when I try and execute it and so I don't know what it even looks like or is capable of doing.
Can you file a bug ? My +1 for changing f-spot to shotwell, if and only if there is a way for users to automatically import photoes from shotwell. I usually use picasa and am happy with it. So I am not a power user of both. But I see all distros moving to shotwell and don't see much of a bright future for f-spot personally, so will recommend for this activity. Sankar Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are personal. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
My +1 for changing f-spot to shotwell, if and only if there is a way for users to automatically import photoes from shotwell. I usually use picasa and am happy with it. So I am not a power user of both. But I see all distros moving to shotwell and don't see much of a bright future for f-spot personally, so will recommend for this activity.
I'ver tried shotwell for the first time as a result of this thread - like it so far but it crashes on publishing as the publishing .so is statically linked and can't find all the symbols it needs - will file a bug later but just a heads-up. -- James Ogley riggwelter@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011, à 05:02 -0600, Sankar P a écrit :
My +1 for changing f-spot to shotwell, if and only if there is a way for users to automatically import photoes from shotwell.
I installed shotwell this morning and the first thing it asked me is if I wanted to import pictures from the xdg directory for my pictures and from f-spot. So, yes, it does that :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 17:10 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le vendredi 10 juin 2011, à 05:02 -0600, Sankar P a écrit :
My +1 for changing f-spot to shotwell, if and only if there is a way for users to automatically import photoes from shotwell. I installed shotwell this morning and the first thing it asked me is if I wanted to import pictures from the xdg directory for my pictures and from f-spot. So, yes, it does that :-)
Re-importing the photos is not a migration path. Does this re-import keep the tagging and categorization that was applied in F-spot? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-06-10 17:10, Vincent Untz wrote: installed shotwell this morning and the first thing it asked me is if
I wanted to import pictures from the xdg directory for my pictures and from f-spot. So, yes, it does that :-)
Each of the two has features the other doesn't. Depends on which feature you need most, you prefer one or the other. I use both. I think the default app should be the one with the most active development. Sooner or later, it will pass over the other app. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar)
I have extensively used both F-Spot and Shotwell, as well as supported passionate users of both applications I find Shotwell an 'easier' and more 'intuitive' application, and certainly has much more active development F-Spot however has some unique features that make it better for certain circumstances As this conversatio n is about the 'default', I would vote for Shotwell being made the new default. I believe defaults should be chosen toI also vote that F-Spot remains an optional package for upgrading users and those who want F-Spot for its unique features. This should stop 'Migration' from being an issue Cheers Richard
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@gmail.com> 6/10/2011 9:47 PM >>> On 2011-06-10 17:10, Vincent Untz wrote:
installed shotwell this morning and the first thing it asked me is if
I wanted to import pictures from the xdg directory for my pictures and from f-spot. So, yes, it does that :-)
Each of the two has features the other doesn't. Depends on which feature you need most, you prefer one or the other. I use both. I think the default app should be the one with the most active development. Sooner or later, it will pass over the other app. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 19:46 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 10/06/11 18:44, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi, I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application. Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot. This is an interesting question which I didn't even think about until you raised this matter. The bug in the ointment here is that I am using oS GNOME 3 and which has F-spot installed as a default app..
Under GNOME3 / 11.3 F-Spot works [and starts] for me without issue.
However, this F-spot does not run when I try and execute it and so I don't know what it even looks like or is capable of doing. On the other hand, I just installed shotwell - and it runs when clicked on. While I have no idea which one is really capable of doing - not having used either of them - but just from my experience over the past several minutes I would have to go with shotwell simply because it actually runs when executed.
This seems like a thin evaluation to me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
I have 10,000+ images in F-Spot. I like F-Spot, but if there is a migration path, I'm fine with switching. A migration path is key. For me F-Spot and Shotwell seem more or less functionally identical [almost comically so - I really enjoyed all Shotwells feature claims, all of which F-Spot already had, but whatever. I guess even Open Source has bullshit and marketing-think]. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, June 10, 2011 15:10:34 Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
I have 10,000+ images in F-Spot. I like F-Spot, but if there is a migration path, I'm fine with switching. A migration path is key. For me F-Spot and Shotwell seem more or less functionally identical [almost comically so - I really enjoyed all Shotwells feature claims, all of which F-Spot already had, but whatever. I guess even Open Source has bullshit and marketing-think].
Why is migration path so important for several folks here? Please enlighten me... Vincent did not propose to drop f-spot, just to change the default of what gets installed in a new installation. So, this means, if you update, you keep f-spot and get shotwell installed as additional application and can decide which ones to use. New users would only get shotwell - and could easily install f-spot if needed, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{novell.com,suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 6/14/2011 at 02:01 PM, in message <201106141031.58970.aj@novell.com>, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote: Why is migration path so important for several folks here? Please enlighten me...
Vincent did not propose to drop f-spot, just to change the default of what gets installed in a new installation. So, this means, if you update, you keep f-spot and get shotwell installed as additional application and can decide which ones to use. New users would only get shotwell - and could easily install f-spot if needed,
Some people I know don't update via zypper dup. Instead they mount the DVD and do a new installation, formatting / paritition and keeping the /home in a separate partition. In such cases this will be helpful. Also, If we are expecting people to change to shotwell, as we find it to be the most actively developed, we should help users migrate their collections from F-Spot to shotwell so that they can switch and at the same time dont need to launch a different app. to see old data. For instance, I still use pidgin (instead of empathy) as empathy cannot read/import the logs of pidgin which I have maintained for few years. So, instead of using both pidgin and empathy I am struck with pidgin. Sankar -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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Some people I know don't update via zypper dup. Instead they mount the DVD and do a new installation, formatting / paritition and keeping the /home in a separate partition. In such cases this will be helpful. Also, If we are expecting people to change to shotwell, as we find it to be the most actively developed, we should help users migrate their collections from F-Spot to shotwell so that they can switch and at the same time dont need to launch a different app. to see old data. For instance, I still use pidgin (instead of empathy) as empathy cannot read/import the logs of pidgin which I have maintained for few years. So, instead of using both pidgin and empathy I am struck with pidgin.
Shotwell can import from folder, without copying the files: it just lists the photos in its database. And it detects duplicates, which sometimes can be a nuisance if the photo has been moved to another folder. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk34kWIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X/EQCfYtVzn5IK8QvEJzAnN4+j4JO4 e1oAmwRV8yHjUSY/njmKUgHOKVV186T1 =PUoR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-10 10:44, Vincent Untz wrote:
I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
I use them both, they complement. I do the importing from the camera with shotwell, because f-spot does not import the videos. But I like better how f-spot displays the photos. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3yKTwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XEowCgh2QtjtBeBfyXtn/ge8g1Zflv +NgAnjaPzX3jYqQK+WqLMQka9H1rY1eu =ZjiP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application.
Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it.
I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot.
Cheers,
Vincent
-- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés.
My vote is for f-spot. I like both its grid-display and filter by date feature as well as its lovely export features (not just to web-albums like flickr and picasa, but even to a local folder to create a "standalone gallery" and so on). At this point having used both shotwell and f-spot, I think f-spot is way ahead in terms of features, stability and interface. To understand wha I mean by f-spot having a better interface consider this: I am not even sure if I can view all photographs taken in the date range 01/01/2009 -- 01/01/2011 in the shotwell library view, while I can easily do that in f-spot by using "filter by date". Sure I can individually see photos from 2011, 2010 and so on even in shotwell but not over a range of dates (and I do use that pretty often). Bye -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 20:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager applicatio Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot. My vote is for f-spot. I like both its grid-display and filter by date feature as well as its lovely export features (not just to web-albums
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: like flickr and picasa, but even to a local folder to create a "standalone gallery" and so on). At this point having used both shotwell and f-spot, I think f-spot is way ahead in terms of features, stability and interface. To understand wha I mean by f-spot having a better interface consider this: I am not even sure if I can view all photographs taken in the date range 01/01/2009 -- 01/01/2011 in the shotwell library view, while I can easily do that in f-spot by using "filter by date". Sure I can individually see photos from 2011, 2010 and so on even in shotwell but not over a range of dates (and I do use that pretty often).
If the date-ranging in Shotwell is not equivalent to F-Spot I'd vote for keeping F-Spot [and consider Shotwell broken/deficient]. For me F-Spot has been stable and performance. Good. With the exception of the export filters which, while very nice, tend to be quite buggy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
(Apologies for my mis-sent draft of this email..below is what I was trying to say) I have extensively used both F-Spot and Shotwell, as well as supported passionate users of both applications I find Shotwell an 'easier' and more 'intuitive' application, and certainly has much more active development F-Spot however has some unique features that make it better for certain circumstances. Shotwell seems to be catching up in these areas very quickly though As this conversation is about the 'default', I would vote for Shotwell being made the new default. I also vote that F-Spot remains an optional package for upgrading users and those who want F-Spot for its unique features. This should avoid 'Migration' becoming an issue and leaves the door open for a reversal of the decision if F-Spot development picks up again Cheers Richard
Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org> 6/10/2011 6:42 PM >>> On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 20:17 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I want to raise the question of our default photo manager applicatio Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it. I'm not really a big user of such an app, so we need some people to play with both to tell us if it's reasonable to switch to shotwell by default for 12.1. If it's not, then it's all fine and we can stay with f-spot. My vote is for f-spot. I like both its grid-display and filter by date feature as well as its lovely export features (not just to web-albums like flickr and picasa, but even to a local folder to create a "standalone gallery" and so on). At this point having used both shotwell and f-spot, I think f-spot is way ahead in terms of features, stability and interface. To understand wha I mean by f-spot having a better interface consider this: I am not even sure if I can view all photographs taken in the date range 01/01/2009 -- 01/01/2011 in the shotwell library view, while I can easily do that in f-spot by using "filter by date". Sure I can individually see photos from 2011, 2010 and so on even in shotwell but not over a range of dates (and I do use that pretty often).
If the date-ranging in Shotwell is not equivalent to F-Spot I'd vote for keeping F-Spot [and consider Shotwell broken/deficient]. For me F-Spot has been stable and performance. Good. With the exception of the export filters which, while very nice, tend to be quite buggy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Le vendredi 10 juin 2011, à 10:44 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit :
Hi,
I want to raise the question of our default photo manager application.
Right now this is f-spot. However, lately, it has been moving slower than usual for various reasons (contributors have a life!), and while f-spot has served us well, it appears that shotwell is really moving fast and people love it.
After a bit more discussion in the meeting today, it was decided to switch to shotwell early in the cycle to get feedback. We will then be able to revisit this decision later (~ September / October) if there's a strong feeling that f-spot should stay as default. Also, please send us a list of what is annoying for you in shotwell after moving to it: this will be useful data for upstream developers. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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Adam Tauno Williams -
Andreas Jaeger -
Andrew Wafaa -
Atri Bhattacharya -
Basil Chupin -
Carlos E. R. -
Carlos E. R. -
Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a DimStar -
James Ogley -
Richard Brown -
Sankar P -
Vincent Untz