[opensuse-gnome] RFC: reorganize GNOME tree, move parts to multimedia:
I would like to propose extended split of GNOME:* package in addition to the solution discussed in past: GNOME:STABLE:{version}: Only the desktop and applications with GNOME release cycle or otherwise tightly related with GNOME. I guess this repository is a bit over-populated. GNOME:Backports:{version}: Other updates needed for seamless GNOME {version} work. Any packages can be placed there. Limiting build for affected distributions is possible as well. GNOME:Applications or GNOME:Applications_Factory (or any other name): GNOME or GTK+ applications that are not part of GNOME project. It can be a primary development place for these packages instead of GNOME:Factory multimedia:libs: Move there multimedia libraries and gstreamer. If their update is required, link or aggregate can be done to GNOME:Backports:{version}. Benefits: - Don't provide unchanged copy of particular package in many repositories. - Easy to update just the desktop. - gstreamer has nothing to do with GNOME. Its backport often requires several dependent library backports. All of them will be probably in multimedia:libs, but not in GNOME:*. Particular packages list that should go away: festival psiconv maybe intltool - These packages were added as backport for SuSE Linux 10.0 or so and stayed there up to now. Probably more such packages is still present. gegl babl libiptcdata: Move them to multimedia:libs. gimp*: Move to multimedia:photo. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Particular packages list that should go away:
festival psiconv maybe intltool - These packages were added as backport for SuSE Linux 10.0 or so and stayed there up to now. Probably more such packages is still present.
avahi is now pretty mature as well. I guess there is no reason to update it for new GNOME. And there is no reason to update GNOME1 stuff in GNOME:STABLE:2.xx: glib gtk gnome-libs - it should go only to GNOME:GNOME1 (maybe even as a primary place for Factory).
gegl babl libiptcdata: Move them to multimedia:libs.
Well, probably also exempi audiofile.
gimp*: Move to multimedia:photo.
Also gqview gthumb, maybe inkscape and dia (well, it's not photo). -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hi, We discussed this a bit at the meeting yesterday evening, but we didn't reach any real conslusion. Well we kind of agreed we want some reorganization :-) Some comments on your proposal: Le jeudi 23 avril 2009, à 16:23 +0200, Stanislav Brabec a écrit :
I would like to propose extended split of GNOME:* package in addition to the solution discussed in past:
GNOME:STABLE:{version}: Only the desktop and applications with GNOME release cycle or otherwise tightly related with GNOME. I guess this repository is a bit over-populated.
GNOME:Backports:{version}: Other updates needed for seamless GNOME {version} work. Any packages can be placed there. Limiting build for affected distributions is possible as well.
(this kind of makes sense, but I think it's simpler for now to only focus on the projects from a Factory point of view -- the backport to older distribution thing adds an addtional layer of complexity which doesn't help)
GNOME:Applications or GNOME:Applications_Factory (or any other name): GNOME or GTK+ applications that are not part of GNOME project. It can be a primary development place for these packages instead of GNOME:Factory
Nod. I'd do GNOME:Apps:Factory or GNOME:Factory:Apps.
multimedia:libs: Move there multimedia libraries and gstreamer. If their update is required, link or aggregate can be done to GNOME:Backports:{version}.
Benefits:
- Don't provide unchanged copy of particular package in many repositories.
- Easy to update just the desktop.
- gstreamer has nothing to do with GNOME. Its backport often requires several dependent library backports. All of them will be probably in multimedia:libs, but not in GNOME:*.
I can think of at least one issue with an example here: what happens when some package in GNOME:Factory needs *now* the latest package un multimedia:libs (which hasn't reached openSUSE:Factory). Example: + empathy requires latest telepathy stack, including latest farsight2. + farsight2 requires latest gstreamer-plugins-bad since some plugins were moved there + gstreamer-plugins-bad has just been uploaded to multimedia:libs and it will take days before it reaches oS:F So we're blocked, and I'd like to avoid such a situation. (also, since you're talking about backports, what's the plan here? Do you plan to build multimedia:libs against 11.0, 11.1, etc.? What if a project requires an older version of some library there? Should it just copy the old version?)
Particular packages list that should go away:
festival psiconv maybe intltool - These packages were added as backport for SuSE Linux 10.0 or so and stayed there up to now. Probably more such packages is still present.
Where do you propose to move them?
gegl babl libiptcdata: Move them to multimedia:libs.
Nod, although I'm unsure that multimedia:libs is the best place for gegl and babl at the moment. I'd prefer to see them live with gimp until they're stable or widely used.
gimp*: Move to multimedia:photo.
Here I disagree (same for the apps in your reply to this mail). This should go to GNOME:Apps, unless: + we also move the relevant KDE apps to multimedia:photo + we create network:IM and move pidgin there, for example, and do the same for many other apps. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz wrote:
multimedia:libs: Move there multimedia libraries and gstreamer. If their update is required, link or aggregate can be done to GNOME:Backports:{version}.
Benefits:
- Don't provide unchanged copy of particular package in many repositories.
- Easy to update just the desktop.
- gstreamer has nothing to do with GNOME. Its backport often requires several dependent library backports. All of them will be probably in multimedia:libs, but not in GNOME:*.
I can think of at least one issue with an example here: what happens when some package in GNOME:Factory needs *now* the latest package un multimedia:libs (which hasn't reached openSUSE:Factory).
Example:
+ empathy requires latest telepathy stack, including latest farsight2. + farsight2 requires latest gstreamer-plugins-bad since some plugins were moved there + gstreamer-plugins-bad has just been uploaded to multimedia:libs and it will take days before it reaches oS:F
So we're blocked, and I'd like to avoid such a situation.
You can build G:F on top of multimedia:libs or aggregate needed package for a while. Actually, multimedia:libs for Factory exists but defaults to not build. It's possible to enable build for individual packages that diverge from Factory like you may see just now for libmodplug and gstreamer-0_10-plugins-bad (maybe it would be nice to have this as an utomatic feature).
(also, since you're talking about backports, what's the plan here? Do you plan to build multimedia:libs against 11.0, 11.1, etc.? What if a project requires an older version of some library there? Should it just copy the old version?)
Currently the backport to 10.3, 11.0, 11.1, SLE11 is nearly complete. Even gstreamer packages were modified there to build correctly and the fix should be escalated soon. Most libraries in multimedia:libs don't change API. Last incompatible API changes I am aware in packages there were FLAC and libexif, both several years ago.
Particular packages list that should go away:
festival psiconv maybe intltool - These packages were added as backport for SuSE Linux 10.0 or so and stayed there up to now. Probably more such packages is still present.
Where do you propose to move them?
psiconv: It's assigned to gnome-maintainers@suse.de (because it's required only by gnumeric and abiword), but it's a command line utility for Psion PDA, not changed since 2005. PDA/mobile phone tools are now spread over many (mostly home:*:Factory and other home:) repositories.
gegl babl libiptcdata: Move them to multimedia:libs.
Nod,
libiptsdata: Move...
although I'm unsure that multimedia:libs is the best place for gegl and babl at the moment. I'd prefer to see them live with gimp until they're stable or widely used.
gegl, babl, gimp: OK, probably not move. As far as I remember, another user of gegl (one of scanning solutions) is GNOME application as well.
gimp*: Move to multimedia:photo.
Here I disagree (same for the apps in your reply to this mail). This should go to GNOME:Apps, unless:
+ we also move the relevant KDE apps to multimedia:photo + we create network:IM and move pidgin there, for example, and do the same for many other apps.
Yes, it's true. I agree with you. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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