[opensuse-gnome] Switching to empathy as default IM client?
Hi, I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: + VoIP that's working + geolocalisation support (not yet in G:F, need to package a few things first, but will be ready soon) + support for adium themes + desktop sharing: you'll be able to share your desktop with your empathy contacts! Limitations that were blocking this in the past were: + file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?) I'm not aware of any real downside. Opinions? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 6/17/2009 at 15:21, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
You motivated me to test it again... so $ sudo zypper in empathy $ empathy Starts up.. first thing I see: the tray icon is just a square, gray blob... bleh. Let's try to create an account: Edit, Accounts, adding my groupwise messenger account. enabling it... waiting ... waiting... oh... did I mention waiting? No connection apparently is happening.. at least it does not do anything. Did I do anything crucial wrong? So far I have to use kopete as IM. Pidgin crashe{s,d} on incoming GW messages (did not test for a while. so this might be solved). empathy.. well, see above. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 16:00 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a écrit :
On 6/17/2009 at 15:21, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
You motivated me to test it again... so $ sudo zypper in empathy
$ empathy
Starts up.. first thing I see: the tray icon is just a square, gray blob... bleh. Let's try to create an account: Edit, Accounts, adding my groupwise messenger account. enabling it... waiting ... waiting...
oh... did I mention waiting?
No connection apparently is happening.. at least it does not do anything.
Did I do anything crucial wrong? So far I have to use kopete as IM. Pidgin crashe{s,d} on incoming GW messages (did not test for a while. so this might be solved). empathy.. well, see above.
Yeah, hrm, so, let's not just use GW as a base to decide ;-) I mean, I don't expect most home users to need GW... FWIW, this could be the same issue as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18271 (depends on your server, I guess) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 6/17/2009 at 16:19, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Yeah, hrm, so, let's not just use GW as a base to decide ;-) I mean, I don't expect most home users to need GW...
Sure, it was not my intention to base the entire decision on this result. Just to share it.
FWIW, this could be the same issue as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18271 (depends on your server, I guess)
Ok, the connection not working is the certificate in this case I guess... pity. The just gray square as tray icon though should be independent of any used protocol. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 16:27 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a écrit :
The just gray square as tray icon though should be independent of any used protocol.
This is the icon you have when you're offline. If you're online, you'll have a green round. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 6/17/2009 at 15:21, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
You motivated me to test it again... so $ sudo zypper in empathy
$ empathy I also got motivated and installed it, played a little bit but seems
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:00 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: that some features are missing: I just can't add an IRC account even when the import dialog lists my Pidgin's IRC accounts, and the Import dialog isn't working or something because clicking OK does nothing. Empathy looks like a nice IM client but testing a little bit before using it as default client would not hurt. Best - Mario -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 10:23 -0400, Mario Carrion a écrit :
On 6/17/2009 at 15:21, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote: Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
You motivated me to test it again... so $ sudo zypper in empathy
$ empathy I also got motivated and installed it, played a little bit but seems
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:00 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: that some features are missing: I just can't add an IRC account even when the import dialog lists my Pidgin's IRC accounts, and the Import dialog isn't working or something because clicking OK does nothing.
sudo zypper in telepathy-idle I'll file a bug about the UI issue for importing the irc account when the backend is not installed. And I'll make empathy recommend or suggst telepathy-idle. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:21 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features:
+ VoIP that's working + geolocalisation support (not yet in G:F, need to package a few things first, but will be ready soon) + support for adium themes + desktop sharing: you'll be able to share your desktop with your empathy contacts!
Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
I'm not aware of any real downside. Opinions?
I'm against it since i found msn and irc protocols broken. I mostly use im client for msn and the empathy backend for msn is a lot worse than pidgin. Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot. I'm aware that ubuntu[1] as switched but i found that they miss the most important feature for an IM client, that is working with all the supported protocols. Luis [1] - http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/06/replace-pidgin-with-empathy-in-karmic.h... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 15:27 +0100, Luis Medinas a écrit :
I'm against it since i found msn and irc protocols broken. I mostly use im client for msn and the empathy backend for msn is a lot worse than pidgin.
Seriously, we need bugs if we want this to change. AFAIK, this works fine.
Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot.
What plugins are you using? (I've never used a pidgin plugin, I think) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:47 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 15:27 +0100, Luis Medinas a écrit :
I'm against it since i found msn and irc protocols broken. I mostly use im client for msn and the empathy backend for msn is a lot worse than pidgin.
Seriously, we need bugs if we want this to change. AFAIK, this works fine.
Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot.
What plugins are you using? (I've never used a pidgin plugin, I think)
Personally i use libnotify plugin, so watch msg notifications. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 15:57 +0100, Luis Medinas a écrit :
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:47 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
What plugins are you using? (I've never used a pidgin plugin, I think)
Personally i use libnotify plugin, so watch msg notifications.
There are notifications in empathy. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 16:27:59 Luis Medinas wrote:
[...] Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot.
Note that I expect that pidgin will still be available for those that do not want to switch from pidgin to empathy. But now we need to know what exactly you would miss to decide on the default for new installations, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:24 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 16:27:59 Luis Medinas wrote:
[...] Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot.
Note that I expect that pidgin will still be available for those that do not want to switch from pidgin to empathy. But now we need to know what exactly you would miss to decide on the default for new installations,
I'm currently testing the new empathy (2.27.3) with the only backend i use (msn). I'm trying to figure if offline msgs and send/receive files work as pidgin. The new features for empathy is impressive, also the notifications are supported and work as expected. Maybe facebook users can have a word since empathy doesn't support this protocol. Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:12 +0100, Luis Medinas wrote:
I'm currently testing the new empathy (2.27.3) with the only backend i use (msn). I'm trying to figure if offline msgs and send/receive files work as pidgin. The new features for empathy is impressive, also the notifications are supported and work as expected. Maybe facebook users can have a word since empathy doesn't support this protocol.
Oh. That could be a blocker for me. I have a FATE request in to install Pidgin's support for Facebook out of the box in 11.2, so if we switch to Empathy I'd like to see the same thing. I'll give Empathy a try, though. -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:54 -0500, Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy wrote:
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:12 +0100, Luis Medinas wrote:
I'm currently testing the new empathy (2.27.3) with the only backend i use (msn). I'm trying to figure if offline msgs and send/receive files work as pidgin. The new features for empathy is impressive, also the notifications are supported and work as expected. Maybe facebook users can have a word since empathy doesn't support this protocol.
Oh. That could be a blocker for me. I have a FATE request in to install Pidgin's support for Facebook out of the box in 11.2, so if we switch to Empathy I'd like to see the same thing.
I'll give Empathy a try, though. -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy
I haven't played with Empathy in like a year. But doesn't Empathy use the same libpurple pidgin plugins in the background? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:54 -0500, Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy wrote:
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:12 +0100, Luis Medinas wrote:
I'm currently testing the new empathy (2.27.3) with the only backend i use (msn). I'm trying to figure if offline msgs and send/receive files work as pidgin. The new features for empathy is impressive, also the notifications are supported and work as expected. Maybe facebook users can have a word since empathy doesn't support this protocol.
Oh. That could be a blocker for me. I have a FATE request in to install Pidgin's support for Facebook out of the box in 11.2, so if we switch to Empathy I'd like to see the same thing.
It looks like it's on development check http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573194
I'll give Empathy a try, though.
The current features are nice, including the adium themes which look awesome and plus is total integrated with the GNOME desktop. I'm just trying to figure if it supports all msn features from pidgin. Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 17.06.2009 15:21, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features:
+ VoIP that's working + geolocalisation support (not yet in G:F, need to package a few things first, but will be ready soon) + support for adium themes + desktop sharing: you'll be able to share your desktop with your empathy contacts!
Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
I'm not aware of any real downside. Opinions?
Vincent
Til some day Empathy had no working support for Gadu-Gadu, which is the first popular protocol used in Poland. Currently, 2.26.x feature basic functionality and a Polish guy is working on avatars support etc. The less-basic basic functionality. So Empathy could repeat Pidgin for Polish users in 11.2 if it gets better Gadu-Gadu support or in 11.3/12.0, but then I expect GTK 3.x / GNOME 3.0 revolution and no changes in GG support. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 18 juin 2009, à 22:42 +0200, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek a écrit :
Til some day Empathy had no working support for Gadu-Gadu, which is the first popular protocol used in Poland.
Currently, 2.26.x feature basic functionality and a Polish guy is working on avatars support etc. The less-basic basic functionality.
FWIW, Empathy is using telepathy-haze for gadugadu. But yeah, testing is probably needed. And if there's any bug, please let upstream know! The empathy team is really reactive about important bugs. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
2009/6/17 Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org>:
Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features:
+ VoIP that's working + geolocalisation support (not yet in G:F, need to package a few things first, but will be ready soon) + support for adium themes + desktop sharing: you'll be able to share your desktop with your empathy contacts!
Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now)
In which one version is implemented?
+ a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
I'm not aware of any real downside. Opinions?
Vincent
From open conversation window Empathy (via Contact -> Send file) doesn´t allow send a file. Then i tried to receive files from ICQ and MSN Messenger, but nothing happened. Pidgin sends/receives files flawlessly.
Here you are my experiences with Empathy-2.27.2 1) Import accounts doesn´t work. Empathy found Pidgin accounts and tried to import them, but unsuccessfully. Nothing happened. 2) Send and receive files doesn´t work. I tried to send/receive files via msn and icq protocols, from/to ICQ and MSN Messenger under Windows. 3) Empathy doesn´t offer IRC. I wanted to connect to IRC and ..... where is IRC? My opinion. Pidgin is multi-platform software, it is one of the most used instant messenger (besides Miranda, or Trilian). Users using Pidgin on another platform won´t have a problem, if they would like to migrate/try openSUSE. Pidgin is better translated into many different languages (i think more than Empathy, but i´m not sure), is the one of more matured instant messenger. Why do you want to change something, what simply works? And after my experiences i can say it works better. Well, what about it that Empathy supports VoIP, or video? I don´t care. Nevertheless, the most uses VoIP/video communication service in the world is Skype. I vote for Pidgin. Please, keep Pidgin as default IM. Thanks. -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On 19.06.2009 17:00, Rastislav Krupanský wrote:
Pidgin (...) is the one of more matured instant messenger. Why do you want to change something, what simply works? And after my experiences i can say it works better.
Pidgin is not good. It's not even enough stable to be said it's stable. It doesn't even feature basic functionality of each protocol. Only a bit of every protocol but yeah, they say it can replace ICQ, MSN, Gadu-Gadu, AIM and more. I doubt Linux will get a good and stable IM even in future. Gaim had a development, slow, but it had. Instead of reaching "higher levels", what we've got? Not fully done software, which is suitable to be flushed in the toilet. The only chance is now closed source software or multiplatform software or even software compiled using libwine. Nice, don't you think? If we need to judge, yes, Pidgin over Empathy, but still both use libpurple which is sadly a piece of crap. Better would be if Empathy would use some libs directly to gain protocol support. Galaxium is worth a look. It had few active developers, then development stalled, then new developer started work I think they're going back to work. In future it could be a good choice. InstantBird would be also interesting, if only it wouldn't use crappy libpurple.
Well, what about it that Empathy supports VoIP, or video? I don´t care. Nevertheless, the most uses VoIP/video communication service in the world is Skype.
The truth is that open source software is useless when it comes to VoIP. Skype is a choice, regardless the compatibility with PulseAudio and the Linux support. Okay, I sad enough bad, what needed to be said. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Dňa Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:21:09 +0200 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek <jakub.rusinek@gmail.com> napísal(a):
On 19.06.2009 17:00, Rastislav Krupanský wrote:
Pidgin (...) is the one of more matured instant messenger. Why do you want to change something, what simply works? And after my experiences i can say it works better.
Pidgin is not good. It's not even enough stable to be said it's stable. It doesn't even feature basic functionality of each protocol.
Hm, so i´m lucky guy, because Pidgin works for me quite stable ;-)
Only a bit of every protocol but yeah, they say it can replace ICQ, MSN, Gadu-Gadu, AIM and more.
I doubt Linux will get a good and stable IM even in future.
Gaim had a development, slow, but it had. Instead of reaching "higher levels", what we've got? Not fully done software, which is suitable to be flushed in the toilet.
The only chance is now closed source software or multiplatform software or even software compiled using libwine.
Nice, don't you think?
If we need to judge, yes, Pidgin over Empathy, but still both use libpurple which is sadly a piece of crap.
Better would be if Empathy would use some libs directly to gain protocol support.
Galaxium is worth a look. It had few active developers, then development stalled, then new developer started work I think they're going back to work. In future it could be a good choice.
InstantBird would be also interesting, if only it wouldn't use crappy libpurple.
Well, what about it that Empathy supports VoIP, or video? I don´t care. Nevertheless, the most uses VoIP/video communication service in the world is Skype.
The truth is that open source software is useless when it comes to VoIP. Skype is a choice, regardless the compatibility with PulseAudio and the Linux support.
Okay, I sad enough bad, what needed to be said.
I´m an common user and i want to use working software. And Empathy doesn´t work as i expect nowadays. Honestly, i don´t care, whether it is closed or open source. Just let it works. -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features:
+ VoIP that's working + geolocalisation support (not yet in G:F, need to package a few things first, but will be ready soon) + support for adium themes + desktop sharing: you'll be able to share your desktop with your empathy contacts!
Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:
+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)
I'm not aware of any real downside. Opinions?
Hello, I am personally against switching to Empathy at this point as I think it needs more work and testing. Pidgin is more mature, has more features, better protocol support out of the box and lots of plugins (I use at least 8 plugins atm). As someone already mentioned VoIP support is sortof unimportant for many of us, because our mums and friends use Skype and so do we. Kind Regards, Ivan Zlatev http://ivan-zlatev.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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Vincent Untz