(Doh, resending again as i forgot to make the email plain text) Hey,

Not even the latest version from Gnome-community works as it should. Maybe the packager's fault, but as an end-user: what do I care? All I want is a working BT-client.

Exactly. End users just want something that works. No amount of features can replace stability. I couldn't agree more. So, with that in mind, what exactly isn't working? As the old saying goes, if there are no bug reports, there are no bugs. A bug report on bugzilla would be the best place to report any issues you're having.

I DON'T want to have to file bug-reports for the standard components of my desktop!

Which is exactly how I felt when opensuse regressed and broke *keyboard* support with my laptop rendering a new install unusable. Or when my wireless stopped working. Or when YaST crashed every time it was started. Or zypper still being unable to install packages reliably if the same package name exists in multiple repositories. All of which are so much more critical to the desktop than any old torrent client, yet we still file bugs on them even though they are core components. That's the only way things can get fixed. Alan.

Greets, Chris

Am Dienstag, den 24.03.2009, 19:56 +0000 schrieb Alan McGovern:

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(Sending again, i think it failed the first time)

Hey

I've read through the thread and all I really have to add is this. Note, I am cherry picking quotes from different emails here:

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Not much has happend upstream

What exactly do you define as upstream. Since Monsoon was originally chosen as the client, there have been two releases of monsoon and five releases of the backend torrent library. I have scheduled a bugfix release (0.71) of the backend library to happen pretty soon, which will make 6 releases of the backend. So if you're implying there is no active upstream work being done at all, you'd be wrong ;)

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and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too.

 I can't comment on that. What I can say is that Monsoon is packaged in a number of different distros.

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The problem with using a unknown/unused client is that we are the only ones providing bugs and/or patches. And since I have a strong belife that most of us deletes monsoon for a different client, even less bugs get upstreamed.

There are quite a number of users of the backend library who contribute bug reports (and sometimes patches) and also a few recurring contributors. So issues relating to freezing/crashing/poor performance in the backend library have a lot more people than just opensuse reporting bugs.

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we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product).

Yes, I did concentrate more heavily on the backend throughout the 11.0 -> 11.1 cycle (as can be seen from the number of releases mentioned above). There are currently two major GUI features planned for Monsoon 0.30. 1) A smart queuing system (in progress in svn) 2) Addin support (patch to be contributed by a 3rd party in the near future)

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What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission?  Are there  any benefits?  Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support

It's worth pointing out that Novell will not ship any torrent client with DHT enabled [1] due to legal risks. However for the 0.30 release I'll split the DHT code out of monotorrent into a separate library (3-5 hours of work). Then Monsoon can ship as 'DHT Ready', which means it has the capability to use DHT but will ship with zero DHT code. Then, using Mono.Addins, the DHT library can be installed and activated seamlessly at runtime. This will provide a *great* feature that no other torrent client provides out of box for opensuse. Normally you'd have install a package from a 3rd party repository where DHT isn't disabled. Transmission has no support for DHT to the best of my knowledge.

So that pretty sums up my thoughts after reading the thread. If anyone has any specific feature requests, bugs or general comments, feel free to file a bug report on bugzilla so the ideas don't get lost. If you want a general discussion, I'll keep responding here. Or maybe a separate thread might be in order and we can keep this one for default client discussions.

Thanks, Alan.

[1] I'm not actually 100% sure if dht is disabled in all torrent packages in opensuse even though it should be. ktorrent and Monsoon disable for sure. I'm not sure if deluge does or not. If there is a torrent package shipping from opensuse repositories which does *not* have DHT disabled, I'm sure opensuse legal would love to hear about it ;) I can forward the relevant emails from my discussion with them to anyone interested, or you can email them yourselves.

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