[opensuse-gnome] Community Discussion - GNOME Edition
Aloha oh wondrous GNOME Community, Some may have noticed my blog posts trying to engage the wider openSUSE Community in discussion on ways of improving how we, the openSUSE Community, work and play. The shotgun approach of hitting the whole Community seems to be going a bit slow, so I thought I would try a different approach :-) So basically I'm looking to see what you the GNOME Community feel is missing, an issue, could be improved etc. Also crucially how do you think any of the issues can be resolved. As I mentioned in my blog posts, I am looking for a discussion and not a flame war. I am not in any power to resolve any issue that are present, but I do feel that we already have the tools at hand to fix most that we encounter. I will however put my noisy voice to as much use as possible and try and help out where I can. I do feel that sometimes we just shrug our shoulders and carry on regardless, and think "why bother we aren't going to get any help". If we don't make a sound case for why & how we need help there is no chance we will. So this is the first step in getting that help - defining what and how. Please help me and yourselves work out how best to improve life within openSUSE. If people would rather not make their concerns etc public, please feel free to contact me directly. What I do ask is that we please try and keep things on topic, calm and pleasant. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: FunkyPenguin. PGP: 0x3A36312F openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org
So basically I'm looking to see what you the GNOME Community feel is missing, an issue, could be improved etc. Also crucially how do you think any of the issues can be resolved.
In my opinion the GNOME Community (or any of the smaller teams, e.g. KDE Community) needs a leader/community coordinator (with good knowledge of GNOME and involved in upstream efforts as well) who will organise and channelise community efforts. Such a person could try and formulate short term plans, publicise them from time to time and seek the help of the community to get these done. At the moment I think there is good direction with the GNOME team (and the releases are excellent) but plans, both short term and long term are not publicised enough (or perhaps they are and I have just missed them, if so apologies!). As an example someone could do a monthly round-up of developments taking place in the openSUSE GNOME landscape using this mailing list and pin down where help is required with pointers for new interested helpers, etc.
Andy
Bye, and thanks for starting up this discussion. -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Dear core developers, Do You think, that it would be possible to add reliable at-spi support to The release candidate of The Opensuse Gnome live CD? I will test it today, if ALT+F2 and other hod keys are allready work or no. I would like to ask You for one programmers secret. Does somebody of us know The WEB page which is describing The technique, which is enabling to create bootable .iso image, which can be transferred to USB by using DD command and BIOS is able to boot from this USB flash stick? There are only little Linux distributions, which .iso images are being able to store on CD and also USB flash disk. I personally know only about GRML 2010.5, and Opensuse 11.2 and latest even milestone releases. If expensive tool must be used for .iso preparation, please atleast try to give me it's name, if it is not pathented programmers secret of The Linux distribution makers. Thank You very much. With kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 17:47 +0100, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote:
Dear core developers, Do You think, that it would be possible to add reliable at-spi support to The release candidate of The Opensuse Gnome live CD? I will test it today, if ALT+F2 and other hod keys are allready work or no.
This doesn't have much to do with GNOME. And I don't even know what at-spi is.
I would like to ask You for one prorammers secret. Does somebody of us know The WEB page which is describing The technique, which is enabling to create bootable .iso image, which can be transferred to USB by using DD command and BIOS is able to boot from this USB flash stick? There are only little Linux distributions, which .iso images are being able to store on CD and also USB flash disk. I personally know only about GRML 2010.5, and Opensuse 11.2 and latest even milestone releases. If expensive tool must be used for .iso preparation, please atleast try to give me it's name, if it is not pathented programmers secret of The Linux distribution makers.
There are many:
http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/creating-generating-rhel-linux-bootable-cd/
http://www.captain.at/howto-linux-boot-cd.php
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Bootdisk-HOWTO/cd-roms.html
Basically you store a fake floppy on the CD.
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Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 17:47 +0100, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote:
Dear core developers, Do You think, that it would be possible to add reliable at-spi support to The release candidate of The Opensuse Gnome live CD? I will test it today, if ALT+F2 and other hod keys are allready work or no.
This doesn't have much to do with GNOME.
Yes, it does.
And I don't even know what at-spi is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistive_Technology_Service_Provider_Interface Sandy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 18:33 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
In my opinion the GNOME Community (or any of the smaller teams, e.g. KDE Community) needs a leader/community coordinator (with good knowledge of GNOME and involved in upstream efforts as well) who will organise and channelise community efforts. Such a person could try and formulate short term plans, publicise them from time to time and seek the help of the community to get these done. At the moment I think there is good direction with the GNOME team (and the releases are excellent) but plans, both short term and long term are not publicised enough (or perhaps they are and I have just missed them, if so apologies!).
Well I think we are in a very good position with providing upstream resources. As it happens the GNOME team have a great person in the one and only Vintcent Untz. One issue that we have is that because Vincent does such a good job he is in *huge* demand not just by openSUSE (where he works in the GNOME team but also in the Boosters) but also by upstream GNOME. He has managed to get some items covered by others, but he only has so much time before he falls over with fatigue - and we do *not* want vuntz to burn out! I have mentioned before how the GNOME team certainly seemed much more invigorated with a great buzz about it between the 11.0 and 11.1 releases. When analysing why this was so, it was pointed out to me that there were a lot more Novellians working with us openly, and we had a great steward in JP Rosevear. Unfortunately there have been some redundancies at Novell which affected not just GNOME but the whole openSUSE ecosystem; this is not the only factor that hinders us, we are suffering in part from Novell's success with SLE. Ideally I'd like to see more of the SLE guys & gals working out in the open, but they have some nasty deadlines to hit atm so maybe in the near future. You are not alone with your concern about long-term and short-term plans, and it is not just GNOME that is affected by the lack publication. One of the issues is making sure that whomever it is that takes the stewardship seat has the time required to do it all. I would nominate Vincent as our leader, but I'm not so sure there are enough hours in a day for him to do it. Do we need more resources from Novell? If so best we make a damned good case for it ;-)
As an example someone could do a monthly round-up of developments taking place in the openSUSE GNOME landscape using this mailing list and pin down where help is required with pointers for new interested helpers, etc.
Well we are hoping to get bi-weekly meetings back up and running again soon, and as such we will be able to have minutes etc published for all to see and comment on.
Bye, and thanks for starting up this discussion.
Thank you for joining in the discussion. If you think of anything else then let us know :-) Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: FunkyPenguin. PGP: 0x3A36312F openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 22:57 +0000, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 18:33 +0530, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
In my opinion the GNOME Community (or any of the smaller teams, e.g. KDE Community) needs a leader/community coordinator (with good knowledge of GNOME and involved in upstream efforts as well) who will organise and channelise community efforts. Such a person could try and formulate short term plans, publicise them from time to time and seek the help of the community to get these done. At the moment I think there is good direction with the GNOME team (and the releases are excellent) but plans, both short term and long term are not publicised enough (or perhaps they are and I have just missed them, if so apologies!).
Well I think we are in a very good position with providing upstream resources. As it happens the GNOME team have a great person in the one and only Vintcent Untz. One issue that we have is that because Vincent does such a good job he is in *huge* demand not just by openSUSE (where he works in the GNOME team but also in the Boosters) but also by upstream GNOME. He has managed to get some items covered by others, but he only has so much time before he falls over with fatigue - and we do *not* want vuntz to burn out!
I just need to add that Dominique Leuenberger is pulling a lot of weight as well. Once cloning humans are legal, both Vincent and Dominique should be cloned several times over. Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 21:34 +0000, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
Aloha oh wondrous GNOME Community, Some may have noticed my blog posts trying to engage the wider openSUSE Community in discussion on ways of improving how we, the openSUSE Community, work and play. The shotgun approach of hitting the whole Community seems to be going a bit slow, so I thought I would try a different approach :-) So basically I'm looking to see what you the GNOME Community feel is missing, an issue, could be improved etc. Also crucially how do you think any of the issues can be resolved.
At least for me, as a mere user [and developer using], GNOME on openSUSE 11.2 - things are great. I really don't have any significant complaints. As a developer somethings it seems like the GNOME space is crawling [especially with regard specifically to Gtk, and more specifically Gtk#], but things work well. It also seems like, device management for example, there is a solution-of-the-month club: HAL vs. device kit, gpod vs. podsleuth, etc... but some of that may just be inevitable. Then there is GNOME 3 shell, which obsoletes toolbar applets and things like GNOME-Do, and I'm not sure where that is going. But, on the other hand, things like Zietgeist (sp?) look amazing - I've wanted something like that since Nat pitched Dashboard [which became Beagle]... and has since been essentially abandoned. So as a user of, and a developer using, it would be VERY nice if there were some clarification of the-way-forward. I know I've pretty much given up reading BLOGs and the like.
As I mentioned in my blog posts, I am looking for a discussion and not a flame war. I am not in any power to resolve any issue that are present, but I do feel that we already have the tools at hand to fix most that we encounter. I will however put my noisy voice to as much use as possible and try and help out where I can. I do feel that sometimes we just shrug our shoulders and carry on regardless, and think "why bother we aren't going to get any help". If we don't make a sound case for why & how we need help there is no chance we will. So this is the first step in getting that help - defining what and how. Please help me and yourselves work out how best to improve life within openSUSE. If people would rather not make their concerns etc public, please feel free to contact me directly. What I do ask is that we please try and keep things on topic, calm and pleasant. -- openSUSE w/GNOME http://www.opensuse.org/en/ Linux for human beings who need to get work done.
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participants (6)
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Adam Tauno Williams -
Andrew Wafaa -
Atri Bhattacharya -
Magnus Boman -
Mgr. Janusz Chmiel -
Sandy Armstrong