[opensuse-gnome] User feedback concerning openSUSE 13.2 with GNOME
Greetings! I've been monitoring Google+ and other social networks with an eye out for GNOME 3.14 complaints related to 13.2. Frankly, there are very very few. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Most common complaint (which seems to affect KDE as well, and maybe worse) is concerning font rendering. I don't know what the problem is since so far as I know I'm not experiencing the problem. The Main Menu Editor (alacarte) once again does not work. I ran it terminal and saw no unusual errors and ran it with gnomesu to see if that changed the behavior. Online Accounts are very flakey to the point where on some systems the feature is fully broken. I've seen some reports floating around on the mailing list so I'll assume you are aware of the problem. People (myaelf included) are complaining about being unable to theme GDM. I assume this is due to an upstream change. I've observed some sub-optimal behavior with the new GNOME Sofware Center. First time it tried to update the system, it gave message of failure once the graphical environment was back up. With some software, it will take a very long time to show the details for it. This behavior seems to be entirely random. User Management in the GNOME Settings panel is still disfunctional. Ability to take picture with webcam to set as user picture still does not work. GNOME loving users are confused and put-off by the Qt YaST interface in GNOME by default. [As a recommendation, the default behavior for searching in the Qt interface is to not search until Enter is pressed whereas the Gtk+ interface searches with each key. Revert the behavior to the Qt style one. The searching by each key press slows the interface and seems to cause instability.] Overall, most people are thrilled with the stability and refinement. Good job. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Project Member and Advocate since 2011 http://www.opensuseadventures.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org
Hello Roger, Another opinion is that it's faster than previous GNOME (3.10).
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Most common complaint (which seems to affect KDE as well, and maybe worse) is concerning font rendering. I don't know what the problem is since so far as I know I'm not experiencing the problem.
Regarding this, I really didn't understand it. A guy was complaining in Greek mailing list. He said that fontconfig-infinality package fix the problem. Although he added it, it didn't. So he was searching and he gave us a solution. Add this: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/nick31:/INFINALITY-ULTIMATE/... Install the packages 1. cairo-devel-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 3. cairo-tools-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 4. fontconfig-2.11.1-11.1.x86_64.rpm 6. fontconfig-devel-2.11.1-11.1.x86_64.rpm 8. freetype2-devel-2.5.3-11.1.x86_64.rpm 10. libcairo-gobject2-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 12. libcairo-script-interpreter2-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 14. libcairo2-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 16. libfreetype6-2.5.3-11.1.x86_64.rpm and restart. Not sure, but everything comes from the page http://bohoomil.com/ (that's what the Greek guy told us). Can someone check it?
The Main Menu Editor (alacarte) once again does not work. I ran it terminal and saw no unusual errors and ran it with gnomesu to see if that changed the behavior.
Check out menulibre. I think it's the same as alacarte but for GNOME shell. Have phun, Stathis -- http://www.iosifidis.gr http://linkedin.iosifidis.gr Great leaders don't tell you what to do...They show you how it's done. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts...absolutely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 11:41 +0200, Efstathios Iosifidis wrote:
Hello Roger,
Another opinion is that it's faster than previous GNOME (3.10) Yes, I've heard that too. In my experience it's faster and smoother than 3.12 even.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Most common complaint (which seems to affect KDE as well, and maybe worse) is concerning font rendering. I don't know what the problem is since so far as I know I'm not experiencing the problem.
Regarding this, I really didn't understand it. A guy was complaining in Greek mailing list. He said that fontconfig-infinality package fix the problem. Although he added it, it didn't. So he was searching and he gave us a solution. Add this: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/nick31:/INFINALITY-ULTIMATE/...
Install the packages 1. cairo-devel-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 3. cairo-tools-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 4. fontconfig-2.11.1-11.1.x86_64.rpm 6. fontconfig-devel-2.11.1-11.1.x86_64.rpm 8. freetype2-devel-2.5.3-11.1.x86_64.rpm 10. libcairo-gobject2-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 12. libcairo-script-interpreter2-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 14. libcairo2-1.12.16-13.1.x86_64.rpm 16. libfreetype6-2.5.3-11.1.x86_64.rpm
and restart.
Not sure, but everything comes from the page http://bohoomil.com/ (that's what the Greek guy told us). Can someone check it? I keep hearing about this Infinality stuff. We may want to consider including it if feasible.
The Main Menu Editor (alacarte) once again does not work. I ran it terminal and saw no unusual errors and ran it with gnomesu to see if that changed the behavior.
Check out menulibre. I think it's the same as alacarte but for GNOME shell. Just found it. It's not dramatically different but works really well. If we can, then we should push an update to alacarte that gives this and removes that. I'm not sure why alacarte was included considering it's known not to be compatible anymore.
Have phun, Stathis
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Hi Roger, Thanks for that summary, great stuff! On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 18:46 -0800, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Greetings!
I've been monitoring Google+ and other social networks with an eye out for GNOME 3.14 complaints related to 13.2. Frankly, there are very very few. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Most common complaint (which seems to affect KDE as well, and maybe worse) is concerning font rendering. I don't know what the problem is since so far as I know I'm not experiencing the problem.
The Main Menu Editor (alacarte) once again does not work. I ran it terminal and saw no unusual errors and ran it with gnomesu to see if that changed the behavior.
Known - but some gnome-shell changes require some fundamental changes here: alacarte actually writes a .menu file, which gnome-shell no longer uses, as it does not have a menu structure. There is also a boo# entry for it
Online Accounts are very flakey to the point where on some systems the feature is fully broken. I've seen some reports floating around on the mailing list so I'll assume you are aware of the problem.
I'm aware of google calendar once on a while randomly coming up with a password prompt (through gnome-shell of course) and after suspend/resume, some people seem to have struggle getting back online. Are you aware of others?
People (myaelf included) are complaining about being unable to theme GDM. I assume this is due to an upstream change.
GDM has been badly themeable since about version 3.0. So yes, that's known, but with the number of changes going into it, stability is at the moment higher up than themeing.
I've observed some sub-optimal behavior with the new GNOME Sofware Center. First time it tried to update the system, it gave message of failure once the graphical environment was back up. With some software, it will take a very long time to show the details for it. This behavior seems to be entirely random.
The error is difficult to say, without further logs. Sorry. The 'some take a long time' is typically due to the way we have to configure PackageKit for users not to curse on it for PK being in the way of zypper. The libzypp is entirely aware of the issue (which is not PK, but libzypp itself). Once the library behaves as we need it, PK would actually no longer terminate in the background at all. Currently, whenever PK terminates itself, the first app you search after barely works, as gnome-software seems not to get a reply from PK on a respawn.
User Management in the GNOME Settings panel is still disfunctional. Ability to take picture with webcam to set as user picture still does not work.
gnome-control-center update is in the making and can already be found in the update-test channel.
GNOME loving users are confused and put-off by the Qt YaST interface in GNOME by default. [As a recommendation, the default behavior for searching in the Qt interface is to not search until Enter is pressed whereas the Gtk+ interface searches with each key. Revert the behavior to the Qt style one. The searching by each key press slows the interface and seems to cause instability.]
Then please have somebody step up and maintain yast gtk; the software center was particularly broken, search most of it: the larger our catalogs grow, the worse it became, especially the 'search as you type feature'; you could easily wait 30s between keypress to get a view.
Overall, most people are thrilled with the stability and refinement. Good job.
Good to hear! We'll try to keep that up.
Cheers,
Dominique
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Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger
Hi Roger,
Thanks for that summary, great stuff!
On Fri, 2014-11-14 at 18:46 -0800, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Greetings!
I've been monitoring Google+ and other social networks with an eye out for GNOME 3.14 complaints related to 13.2. Frankly, there are very very few. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Most common complaint (which seems to affect KDE as well, and maybe worse) is concerning font rendering. I don't know what the problem is since so far as I know I'm not experiencing the problem.
The Main Menu Editor (alacarte) once again does not work. I ran it terminal and saw no unusual errors and ran it with gnomesu to see if that changed the behavior.
Known - but some gnome-shell changes require some fundamental changes here: alacarte actually writes a .menu file, which gnome-shell no longer uses, as it does not have a menu structure. There is also a boo# entry for it MenuLibre works. I say we push it in an update and remove alacarte.
Online Accounts are very flakey to the point where on some systems the feature is fully broken. I've seen some reports floating around on the mailing list so I'll assume you are aware of the problem.
I'm aware of google calendar once on a while randomly coming up with a password prompt (through gnome-shell of course) and after suspend/resume, some people seem to have struggle getting back online. Are you aware of others? For me it's actually been really bad. Gmail in particular stopped working completely. I had to set up manually directly in Evolution.
People (myaelf included) are complaining about being unable to theme GDM. I assume this is due to an upstream change.
GDM has been badly themeable since about version 3.0. So yes, that's known, but with the number of changes going into it, stability is at the moment higher up than themeing. Of course, absolutely agreed. Just old ways to theme it aren't working now.
I've observed some sub-optimal behavior with the new GNOME Sofware Center. First time it tried to update the system, it gave message of failure once the graphical environment was back up. With some software, it will take a very long time to show the details for it. This behavior seems to be entirely random.
The error is difficult to say, without further logs. Sorry. The 'some take a long time' is typically due to the way we have to configure PackageKit for users not to curse on it for PK being in the way of zypper. The libzypp is entirely aware of the issue (which is not PK, but libzypp itself). Once the library behaves as we need it, PK would actually no longer terminate in the background at all.
Currently, whenever PK terminates itself, the first app you search after barely works, as gnome-software seems not to get a reply from PK on a respawn. PK has been so much trouble for so many years. It's a shame nobody has
On Sat, 2014-11-15 at 11:34 +0100, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote: thought of some drop-in replacement. O, why did we ship with the older PK updater when GNOME Software does updates (and generally seems to do it better?
User Management in the GNOME Settings panel is still disfunctional. Ability to take picture with webcam to set as user picture still does not work.
gnome-control-center update is in the making and can already be found in the update-test channel.
GNOME loving users are confused and put-off by the Qt YaST interface in GNOME by default. [As a recommendation, the default behavior for searching in the Qt interface is to not search until Enter is pressed whereas the Gtk+ interface searches with each key. Revert the behavior to the Qt style one. The searching by each key press slows the interface and seems to cause instability.]
Then please have somebody step up and maintain yast gtk; the software center was particularly broken, search most of it: the larger our catalogs grow, the worse it became, especially the 'search as you type feature'; you could easily wait 30s between keypress to get a view.
I'm surprised this isn't maintained by SUSE since they are the ones pressing GTK environment. I'd be willing to try, but I'm not especially familiar with software development in general. I do however understand the languages in order of familiarity C, C++, Python, Ruby. If I could get a development capable mentor (I've been asking for years) I should be able to catch up pretty quickly and do some serious contribution.
Overall, most people are thrilled with the stability and refinement. Good job.
Good to hear! We'll try to keep that up.
Cheers, Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger
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Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger -
Efstathios Iosifidis -
Roger Luedecke