On 16/06/11 19:13, Will Bickerstaff wrote:

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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So, this time 'round I installed Gnome from the openSUSE 11.4 DVD (NOT the one from Gnome.org), did all the usual updates, then installed the Gnome3 repos as mentioned in this list, did the "zypper dup" song and dance act......and when I rebooted I was told that I couldn't run gnome3 and that the default gnome would be running instead. Nice, I thought, worked OK for a week+ but now I am told I am in "deep poo-poos". You did install gnome-shell as well didn't you?

"Gnome-shell" - wazzat? Part of the Crab Nebulae? <Shakes head in wonderous disbelief>... Why isn't something like this gnome-shell automatically installed as part of the "upgrade" to gnome3? Effort is now being expended into "porting" Unity, of all things, to openSUSE but something like having gnome-shell installed by default so that people can use the lovely Gnome3 is ignored.... OK, venting of steam done... Many Thanks, Will. What you asked about gnome-shell is something I knew nothing about and after having installed it I now have Gnome3 working as I did a week ago. Thanks again for the solution. BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Commitee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On 16/06/11 21:05, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 20:56 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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So, this time 'round I installed Gnome from the openSUSE 11.4 DVD (NOT the one from Gnome.org), did all the usual updates, then installed the Gnome3 repos as mentioned in this list, did the "zypper dup" song and dance act......and when I rebooted I was told that I couldn't run gnome3 and that the default gnome would be running instead. Nice, I thought, worked OK for a week+ but now I am told I am in "deep poo-poos". You did install gnome-shell as well didn't you? "Gnome-shell" - wazzat? Part of the Crab Nebulae? Why isn't something like this gnome-shell automatically installed as

On 16/06/11 19:13, Will Bickerstaff wrote: part of the "upgrade" to gnome3? Many Thanks, Will. What you asked about gnome-shell is something I knew nothing about and after having installed it I now have Gnome3 working as I did a week ago. Did you do the complete procedure as described @ http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_3.0 ? I seriously doubt it, given the *last step* described on the page:

zypper ar obs://GNOME:STABLE:3.0/openSUSE_11.4 GNOME_STABLE_3.0 zypper mr -p 98 -r GNOME_STABLE_3.0 zypper dup zypper in gnome-shell metatheme-adwaita-common

I don't know if it should be installed by default since you can have GNOME 3 without gnome-shell [it just isn't pretty].

Look at the big picture. I am new user who has heard that openSUSE 11.4 has Gnome 3 - which I would love to try. I also hear that gnome.org has a LIVE CD (which actually is not quite a CD but more or a DVD) which has openSUSE 11.4 configured with Gnome 3. I go to gnome.org and download the CD/DVD, and after seeing what Gnome3 looks like I install it (after spending heaps of time finding how I can do this - but that's another story...) The thought then occurs to me that I might just switch over to openSUSE; I then download the 11.4 Release DVD to install gnome so that I can then upgrade it to Gnome 3 as some people have told me which I can easily could do by selecting the GNOME:/STABLE:/3.0/ and the GNOME:/APPS/ repositories and then by doing some fancy stuff on a command line as root with "zypper dup" stuff. "All really quite simple to do, Fred." And so this "Fred" goes and does all this. But doesn't end up with what he wanted to end up with. Disappointed, he says, "Shove this openSUSE up your Khyber Pass" and returns to his original distro with which he is familiar; openSUSE has now been relegated to the bottom of the cess-pit, not to be trusted again. I am more than sure that I do not need to expand on this broad picture to get the message across. You ask: Did you do the complete procedure as described @ http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_3.0 ? to which I respond by mentioning what I just wrote above. Where is this procedure mentioned? The only reference to Gnome3 is what one reads in the IT news sources which point to gnome.org where openSUSe 11.4 with Gnome 3 is available for download as a LIVE CD(/DVD). BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Commitee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On 16/06/11 22:42, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le jeudi 16 juin 2011, à 22:30 +1000, Basil Chupin a écrit :

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You ask:

Did you do the complete procedure as described @ http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_3.0 ?

to which I respond by mentioning what I just wrote above.

Where is this procedure mentioned? The only reference to Gnome3 is what one reads in the IT news sources which point to gnome.org where openSUSe 11.4 with Gnome 3 is available for download as a LIVE CD(/DVD). We've consistently referred to this page. See the announcement at http://news.opensuse.org/2011/04/23/gnome-3-0-arrives-for-opensuse-11-4/ for instance.

And simply looking for "opensuse gnome 3.0" on a search engine directly links to this page :-)

What else could we do to advertize it more?

Cheers,

Vincent

Sorry for not responding earlier but I've been trying to restore some of my settings in Firefox etc following this 'from-scratch' installation of Gnome3. OK, re your question. It's not an easy question to answer as you know and all I can comment is that doing the single-click installation on the gnome.org site installed all the necessary files so it is very possible to have this missing (and now I found another one a short time ago[$]) file auto installed even when using the zypper approach. Along the lines of what occurs when one is installing openSUSE and configuring it before the first real boot - particularly what I am referring to here is what happens when I go to configure my TV card and the installation process comes up with a Notice stating that "the following X-Y-Z files need to be installed before I can watch TV, and do I want them installed?". I haven't used it (as yet :-) ) but I suspect that the 1-click installation of gnome3 (here: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME3 ) will also install all the necessary files. The only way which does not produce the full expectations is the "Text Upgrade" method. What you said about news.opensuse.org. Unfortunately, about the only people who would read it would be those such as yourself because you know that it is there and that such information could be contained there. The first place I would have thought that this information would appear would be in something like opensuse-announce - but there is nothing there; or even post information in opensuse-help which almost everybody reads. I have to admit that I have not checked this list - opensuse-gnome - to see if this was announced even here. about the only thing I do remember is the announcement to delete the fcrozat repo. and use the Gnome STABLE for gnome3 files. [$] I have been floundering around trying to figure out how to get adjust some of the gnome3 settings to what I want then to be as I was able to do when I installed gnome3 from the gnome.org site. Hidden amongst the the "news" item you mention above is a gem which states that there is a tweak file available to be able to tweak gnome3. I looked in Software Manager and found that this gnome-tweak file was not installed. It is now installed but I haven't yet looked at it (I wanted to get this response off to you before continuing to play in the sand pit). BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:24 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

What would we need to do so that the "zypper ar; zypper dup" dance gets you *exactly* everything you need for a proper Gnome 3.0 installation, with gnome-shell and the metatheme?

some package would wrongly need to Require them... For 12.1 this won't be a problem, as a fresh install is controlled by patterns. for 11.4 + G:S:3.0 it might be a workaround. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Requires:       notification-daemon

This is the dependencies for the fallback session.

This reminds me of one thing... we have also NotifyOSD which replaces notification-daemon and has a "Conflicts: notification-daemon". For the notify-osd package should we had a virtual provides for notification daemon in case users want to drop notification-daemon and use NotifyOSD ? Let me know so I can fix this :) NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On 18/06/11 02:50, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le vendredi 17 juin 2011, à 18:29 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a écrit :

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On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:24 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote:

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What would we need to do so that the "zypper ar; zypper dup" dance gets you *exactly* everything you need for a proper Gnome 3.0 installation, with gnome-shell and the metatheme? some package would wrongly need to Require them...

For 12.1 this won't be a problem, as a fresh install is controlled by patterns.

for 11.4 + G:S:3.0 it might be a workaround. This is actually a bug in gnome-session. It has this:

Requires: gnome-panel Requires: gnome-settings-daemon Requires: metacity Requires: nautilus Requires: notification-daemon

This is the dependencies for the fallback session.

Who will be the first to fix it? :-)

Vincent

If I may just add this: the 'gnome-tweak' thingie I mentioned, which I found mentioned on the (?)wiki page, is pretty close to useless. I would like to get rid of all the shadows around the drop-down, eg, menus, and I would like to select the fonts I like and their size - but this is not possible in this tweak which I thought would do it for me. Also, I am not able to configure the gnome Terminal which is normally done by right-clicking on the Terminal screen and selecting 'edit profile' (or something :-\ .) BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On 18/06/11 17:10, Matthew Walton wrote:

On 18 June 2011 07:23, Basil Chupin wrote:

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If I may just add this: the 'gnome-tweak' thingie I mentioned, which I found mentioned on the (?)wiki page, is pretty close to useless. I would like to get rid of all the shadows around the drop-down, eg, menus, and I would like to select the fonts I like and their size - but this is not possible in this tweak which I thought would do it for me. My gnome-tweak-tool has fairly comprehensive font options, unsurprisingly located under Fonts. Some of them seem to be new since I last looked, but it's had font selection since the start.

Yes, it appears to be "comprehensive" but unlike in KDE or gnome2 there is no way to adjust the anti-aliasing, for example. I know that this last bit is elsewhere but this does not appear to behave as in the past.

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Also, I am not able to configure the gnome Terminal which is normally done by right-clicking on the Terminal screen and selecting 'edit profile' (or something :-\ .) Edit -> Profile Preferences or Right Click -> Profiles -> Profile Preferences

I have been doing this for years to get the mc (midnight commander) profile configuration to my liking and so I know about this. But this is NOT available in the installation of gnome3 which I installed as per the way I stated I installed it in earlier posts. It worked fine when I used the gnome.org's gnome3 installation using the LIVE CD/DVD but it doesn't work using the 11.4 DVD from openSUSE 11.4 to install gnome which is then upgraded with the zypper dup method. BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 19:59 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 16/06/11 22:42, Vincent Untz wrote:

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You ask: Did you do the complete procedure as described @ http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_3.0 ? And simply looking for "opensuse gnome 3.0" on a search engine directly

Le jeudi 16 juin 2011, à 22:30 +1000, Basil Chupin a écrit : links to this page :-) What else could we do to advertize it more?

The page that needs to be advertised more is http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet That page is *hard* to find.

Today I tried for the third time to install Gnome 3 using the 1-Click Install (Preferred) option on that page you mention above. And for the third time this 1-Click thingie failed - ie, it did nothing: a file (to run the metadata something) got downloaded somewhere to my HDD but after that nothing happened, zilch, zero :-( .

It downloaded a ymp file [I assume] which is saved where ever your browser has been configured, by you, to save files. For whatever reason you browser does not associate ymp files with Yast. Are you using Firefox or the disease that is Chrome [where it can be assumed file associations won't work worth a crap].

And for the 3rd time I had to install gnome 3 using the command line approach.

Personally, I consider this the preferred approach.

(BTW, in all cases I did a clean install of 11.4 with the gnome DE, updated this in the normal way (Yast Online Update) after which I went to the above URL to install gnome 3. And I am using the 32-bit version, which may make a difference although I don't see why it should.)

And I take it from this that there is a problem? I've installed numerous times, using the zypper method, and the only problem I've seen [and still see] is that the network manager is not available in the panel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:11 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

I am using Firefox, and have been since it first appeared.

OK, how do I get FF to recognise ymp files and associated them with Yast?

Out of curiosity (and yes, of course you are not supposed to know... all good?): do you have the package yast2-metapackage-handler installed? This is what should normally take care of the ymp files. Did you specify to automatically safe files without prompting to 'open' or save? Any download manager in between, which takes care of downloading the .ymp file? Many options together can lead to the issue.. it's difficult to say just like this. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:44 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

I did notice that the ymp file was going to be downloaded from a mirror, mirror.optus.net. Perhaps this is where the problem lies?

Actually, you hit the jackpot with that one! When Frederic wrote the page, he intentionally put the download of the .ymp file to widehat, instead of download.o.o, as not all mirrors server the ymp file with the correct mime type. Sadly, this got changed, which added a lot of frustration on users and maintainers side. Sorry for that! Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 16:20 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 23/06/11 00:10, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:44 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I did notice that the ymp file was going to be downloaded from a mirror, mirror.optus.net. Perhaps this is where the problem lies? Actually, you hit the jackpot with that one! When Frederic wrote the page, he intentionally put the download of the .ymp file to widehat, instead of download.o.o, as not all mirrors server the ymp file with the correct mime type.

Sadly, this got changed, which added a lot of frustration on users and maintainers side. Sorry for that!

Dominique

You mean to say that it is a known problem but has been left unfixed?

It has been identified with your help as being an error and being fixed by Frederic shortly after. So hopefully the wiki page is offering the ymp file again from widehat, not from download. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 24/06/11 17:30, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 16:20 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 23/06/11 00:10, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:44 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I did notice that the ymp file was going to be downloaded from a mirror, mirror.optus.net. Perhaps this is where the problem lies?

Actually, you hit the jackpot with that one! When Frederic wrote the page, he intentionally put the download of the .ymp file to widehat, instead of download.o.o, as not all mirrors server the ymp file with the correct mime type.

Sadly, this got changed, which added a lot of frustration on users and maintainers side. Sorry for that!

Dominique

You mean to say that it is a known problem but has been left unfixed?

It has been identified with your help as being an error and being fixed by Frederic shortly after.

So why didn't you say this before? :-)

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So hopefully the wiki page is offering the ymp file again from widehat, not from download.

Good to hear.

I'll be installing KDE with Gnome 3 on my wife's computer tomorrow so I'll have the pleasure of experiencing this change for myself :-) .

Be sure to read this http://en.opensuse.org//GNOME3#Known_issues before installing gnome3 with kde

BC

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On 25/06/11 01:44, Nelson Marques wrote:

2011/6/24 Basil Chupin:

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On 23/06/11 00:10, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:

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On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 23:44 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:

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I did notice that the ymp file was going to be downloaded from a mirror, mirror.optus.net. Perhaps this is where the problem lies? Actually, you hit the jackpot with that one! When Frederic wrote the page, he intentionally put the download of the .ymp file to widehat, instead of download.o.o, as not all mirrors server the ymp file with the correct mime type.

Sadly, this got changed, which added a lot of frustration on users and maintainers side. Sorry for that!

Dominique You mean to say that it is a known problem but has been left unfixed?

I wonder how many "Daddy's little helpers" are running around "out there" crying "OpenSUSE sucks!"? :-) Basil,

I hope you don't misunderstand me, but I have two nice ones for you:

* "Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. " // Nicollo Machiavelli

* "Men shrink less from offending one who inspires love than one who inspires fear. " // Nicollo Machiavelli

Have a nice day,

NM

And with the same sentiments in mind, Confucius made the following observations: "A man who lacks reliability is utterly useless. How can we move a large vehicle which lacks its crossbar, or even a small vehicle without its crossbar?"; and "I do not instruct the uninterested; I do not help those who fail to try. If I mention one corner of a subject and the pupil does not deduce therefrom the other three, I drop him." Have a great weekend. BC -- The Annual General Meeting of Psychics has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances. The Organising Committee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org