I had intended to propose exactly that. Monsoon has been a catastrophy from the beginning;it never worked the way it should have worked. We have been promised by its developer to give him time to sort out the kinks, and so we have had a half-baked, not really functional default bittorrent client while there are enough mature solutions out there. Do we need Monsoon just for the sake of being different? Because Mono is cool? I don't think so. In the beginning I was very positvely biased towards Monsoon, belive me I've tried to use it again and again, but bugs like freezing and crashing during completely normal usage have always brought me back to installing Transmission. Which is my proposal for a Gnome default BT-client. Slim, simple, fast, easy. Please let's not have another release with a shitty default BT-client. Chris Am Sonntag, den 22.03.2009, 09:24 +1100 schrieb Magnus Boman:

On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 22:19 +0100, Bjørn Lie wrote:

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We've had Monsoon as the default torrent client for some releases now, and as far as I can tell it's not been a great success.

Not much has happend upstream, and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too.

I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is.

I've personally tried to use it, but never felt comfortable with it. Normally ending up in me installing Transmission or Azureus.

What do you all think?

To be honest, I don't use torrent at all, but, I don't oppose changing to something that is more active than moonson (which doesn't seem to be developed much)

Cheers, Magnus

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Am Sonntag, den 22.03.2009, 00:46 +0100 schrieb Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek:

Why _have_ a BitTorrent client? I'd rather make a public survey about need of BT. Was there a one?

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Hello all, On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le samedi 21 mars 2009, à 22:19 +0100, Bjørn Lie a écrit :

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I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is.

FWIW, my opinion hasn't changed: if we want to install a default bittorrent client, then transmission is (imho) the best choice since it's actively developed (which implies that bugs are fixed), used by many (which implies that bugs are reported) and it fits well GNOME's philosophy.

Just recently saw this blog, incase if this is useful http://monotorrent.blogspot.com/2009/03/monotorrent-070.html I will not advocate for Monsoon, though :) Thanks Nagappan

Vincent

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On Monday 23 March 2009 23:08:41 Kirill Kirillov wrote:

Hi.

I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation and much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own.

In my opinion, we should give the monsoon project some more time. Perhaps we could come back and discuss the issue of the default torrent client around May/June. There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well. Not that I have anything against transmission, but I think that having decided to use monsoon as the default client in 11.0 we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). At the moment, though, it looks like (to me) that good work is going into it. Regards, -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Hi Steven!

What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission?

A comparison of bittorrent libraries is given here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software#Libraries It shows that mono-torrent (the backend of monsoon) has some features that other (conventional) libraries do not. Additionally I think monsoon's interface is better than transmission's. Also the RSS feed reader with automatic torrent downloading is a really nice feature in monsoon (that transmission lacks). Again, perhaps not much of a difference, but it is definitely not without its pluses.

Are there any benefits? Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support, is openSUSE looking to be different for the sake of being different, or are there tangible differences?

As I said, monsoon 0.20 works fine (on my computer, at least). Also monsoon is a project still in its infancy. More users using it will lead to more support, abandoning it will definitely not help. It is ironical how we use the reasoning that a project lacks support to abandon it. If a project lacks support, we need to support it (of course, it is necessary to consider if the project looks promising, has certain advantages and all that; and I think monsoon does). The original reason for using monsoon as a default included among other things (see http://en.opensuse.org/User:FunkyPenguin/TorrentReview) Quote---------- ....go with Monsoon and try and grow the application. I feel it is a pretty solid piece of kit but needs a bit of help to get even better and that will only happen by getting more users... -------------------- I really liked this reasoning. I feel that unless it is absolutely damning, we should not be pulling the rug from under the project's feet already (which we will be, since at present it is the default on openSUSE and not many others, and a large percentage of monsoon's bug reports come from us, something that will significantly go down if openSUSE stops shipping it). I think we should give the project some more time and postpone this decision for the present. It is not like 11.2 is being released tomorrow!

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Atri wrote:

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On Monday 23 March 2009 23:08:41 Kirill Kirillov wrote:

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Hi.

I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation

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much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own.

In my opinion, we should give the monsoon project some more time. Perhaps we could come back and discuss the issue of the default torrent client around May/June. There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well. Not

and that

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I have anything against transmission, but I think that having decided to use monsoon as the default client in 11.0 we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). At the moment, though, it looks like (to me) that good work is going into it. Regards, -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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Le mardi 24 mars 2009, à 00:22 +0530, Atri a écrit :

There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well.

The fact that 0.20 was packaged in the mono community project and not in G:F is showing that there's an issue. Nobody caring about monsoon is stepping up to help maintain the packages. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org