[opensuse-gnome] Default torrentclient in Gnome
We've had Monsoon as the default torrent client for some releases now, and as far as I can tell it's not been a great success. Not much has happend upstream, and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too. I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is. I've personally tried to use it, but never felt comfortable with it. Normally ending up in me installing Transmission or Azureus. What do you all think? Bjørn Lie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 22:19 +0100, Bjørn Lie wrote:
We've had Monsoon as the default torrent client for some releases now, and as far as I can tell it's not been a great success.
Not much has happend upstream, and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too.
I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is.
I've personally tried to use it, but never felt comfortable with it. Normally ending up in me installing Transmission or Azureus.
What do you all think?
To be honest, I don't use torrent at all, but, I don't oppose changing to something that is more active than moonson (which doesn't seem to be developed much) Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
I had intended to propose exactly that. Monsoon has been a catastrophy from the beginning;it never worked the way it should have worked. We have been promised by its developer to give him time to sort out the kinks, and so we have had a half-baked, not really functional default bittorrent client while there are enough mature solutions out there. Do we need Monsoon just for the sake of being different? Because Mono is cool? I don't think so. In the beginning I was very positvely biased towards Monsoon, belive me I've tried to use it again and again, but bugs like freezing and crashing during completely normal usage have always brought me back to installing Transmission. Which is my proposal for a Gnome default BT-client. Slim, simple, fast, easy. Please let's not have another release with a shitty default BT-client. Chris Am Sonntag, den 22.03.2009, 09:24 +1100 schrieb Magnus Boman:
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 22:19 +0100, Bjørn Lie wrote:
We've had Monsoon as the default torrent client for some releases now, and as far as I can tell it's not been a great success.
Not much has happend upstream, and no other distros (that I know of) has made monsoon their client too.
I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is.
I've personally tried to use it, but never felt comfortable with it. Normally ending up in me installing Transmission or Azureus.
What do you all think?
To be honest, I don't use torrent at all, but, I don't oppose changing to something that is more active than moonson (which doesn't seem to be developed much)
Cheers, Magnus
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On 21.03.2009 23:45, Christian Jäger wrote:
Please let's not have another release with a shitty default BT-client.
Chris
Why _have_ a BitTorrent client? I'd rather make a public survey about need of BT. Was there a one? Honestly, I know no people who use Linux and download much using torrents. Rather Radpishare etc. but I don't expect you to be interested about that kind of Internet activity and distributing adequate software ;) . Talking about software on disc images, I'd like to see a survey, asking what 1) people usually remove/install after installation 2) need on CD/DVD and do not need on CD/DVD. PS: If I really need to use torrent, I prefer Transmission. Cleaner interface. No place to think "what the hell is that/where the hell is {option}". Perfect in his simplicity. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, den 22.03.2009, 00:46 +0100 schrieb Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek:
Why _have_ a BitTorrent client? I'd rather make a public survey about need of BT. Was there a one?
Weeelllll - there ARE official bittorrent downloads of openSUSE media. ;) Miro (FAK Democracy Player) and aria2c use BT. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le samedi 21 mars 2009, à 22:19 +0100, Bjørn Lie a écrit :
I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is.
FWIW, my opinion hasn't changed: if we want to install a default bittorrent client, then transmission is (imho) the best choice since it's actively developed (which implies that bugs are fixed), used by many (which implies that bugs are reported) and it fits well GNOME's philosophy. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hello all, On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Le samedi 21 mars 2009, à 22:19 +0100, Bjørn Lie a écrit :
I propose we reopen the default torrent client discussion again, just to see what the general opinion is.
FWIW, my opinion hasn't changed: if we want to install a default bittorrent client, then transmission is (imho) the best choice since it's actively developed (which implies that bugs are fixed), used by many (which implies that bugs are reported) and it fits well GNOME's philosophy.
Just recently saw this blog, incase if this is useful http://monotorrent.blogspot.com/2009/03/monotorrent-070.html I will not advocate for Monsoon, though :) Thanks Nagappan
Vincent
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Hi. I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation and much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 23 March 2009 23:08:41 Kirill Kirillov wrote:
Hi.
I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation and much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own.
In my opinion, we should give the monsoon project some more time. Perhaps we could come back and discuss the issue of the default torrent client around May/June. There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well. Not that I have anything against transmission, but I think that having decided to use monsoon as the default client in 11.0 we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). At the moment, though, it looks like (to me) that good work is going into it. Regards, -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission? Are there any benefits? Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support, is openSUSE looking to be different for the sake of being different, or are there tangible differences? On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Atri <badshah400@aim.com> wrote:
On Monday 23 March 2009 23:08:41 Kirill Kirillov wrote:
Hi.
I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation and much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own.
In my opinion, we should give the monsoon project some more time. Perhaps we could come back and discuss the issue of the default torrent client around May/June. There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well. Not that I have anything against transmission, but I think that having decided to use monsoon as the default client in 11.0 we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). At the moment, though, it looks like (to me) that good work is going into it. Regards, -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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Hi Steven!
What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission?
A comparison of bittorrent libraries is given here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software#Libraries It shows that mono-torrent (the backend of monsoon) has some features that other (conventional) libraries do not. Additionally I think monsoon's interface is better than transmission's. Also the RSS feed reader with automatic torrent downloading is a really nice feature in monsoon (that transmission lacks). Again, perhaps not much of a difference, but it is definitely not without its pluses.
Are there any benefits? Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support, is openSUSE looking to be different for the sake of being different, or are there tangible differences?
As I said, monsoon 0.20 works fine (on my computer, at least). Also monsoon is a project still in its infancy. More users using it will lead to more support, abandoning it will definitely not help. It is ironical how we use the reasoning that a project lacks support to abandon it. If a project lacks support, we need to support it (of course, it is necessary to consider if the project looks promising, has certain advantages and all that; and I think monsoon does). The original reason for using monsoon as a default included among other things (see http://en.opensuse.org/User:FunkyPenguin/TorrentReview) Quote---------- ....go with Monsoon and try and grow the application. I feel it is a pretty solid piece of kit but needs a bit of help to get even better and that will only happen by getting more users... -------------------- I really liked this reasoning. I feel that unless it is absolutely damning, we should not be pulling the rug from under the project's feet already (which we will be, since at present it is the default on openSUSE and not many others, and a large percentage of monsoon's bug reports come from us, something that will significantly go down if openSUSE stops shipping it). I think we should give the project some more time and postpone this decision for the present. It is not like 11.2 is being released tomorrow!
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Atri <badshah400@aim.com> wrote:
On Monday 23 March 2009 23:08:41 Kirill Kirillov wrote:
Hi.
I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation
much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own.
In my opinion, we should give the monsoon project some more time. Perhaps we could come back and discuss the issue of the default torrent client around May/June. There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well. Not
and that
I have anything against transmission, but I think that having decided to use monsoon as the default client in 11.0 we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). At the moment, though, it looks like (to me) that good work is going into it. Regards, -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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We have given Monsoon SO much time already! Why does openSUSE of all distributions have an experimental, unstable application as a DEFAULT selection?!? Wouldn't it really belong into the GNOME-community repo? Well, Monsoon can stay as an optional application in the official OSS-repo, as far as I'm concerned, but I see no reason whatsoever to make this thing default application. Am Dienstag, den 24.03.2009, 01:34 +0530 schrieb Atri:
Hi Steven!
What merits does Monsoon have vs. going with Transmission?
A comparison of bittorrent libraries is given here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software#Libraries
It shows that mono-torrent (the backend of monsoon) has some features that other (conventional) libraries do not. Additionally I think monsoon's interface is better than transmission's. Also the RSS feed reader with automatic torrent downloading is a really nice feature in monsoon (that transmission lacks). Again, perhaps not much of a difference, but it is definitely not without its pluses.
Are there any benefits? Transmission is fully working today and has a tremendous amount of support, is openSUSE looking to be different for the sake of being different, or are there tangible differences?
As I said, monsoon 0.20 works fine (on my computer, at least). Also monsoon is a project still in its infancy. More users using it will lead to more support, abandoning it will definitely not help. It is ironical how we use the reasoning that a project lacks support to abandon it. If a project lacks support, we need to support it (of course, it is necessary to consider if the project looks promising, has certain advantages and all that; and I think monsoon does). The original reason for using monsoon as a default included among other things (see http://en.opensuse.org/User:FunkyPenguin/TorrentReview)
Quote---------- ....go with Monsoon and try and grow the application. I feel it is a pretty solid piece of kit but needs a bit of help to get even better and that will only happen by getting more users... --------------------
I really liked this reasoning. I feel that unless it is absolutely damning, we should not be pulling the rug from under the project's feet already (which we will be, since at present it is the default on openSUSE and not many others, and a large percentage of monsoon's bug reports come from us, something that will significantly go down if openSUSE stops shipping it). I think we should give the project some more time and postpone this decision for the present. It is not like 11.2 is being released tomorrow!
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Atri <badshah400@aim.com> wrote:
On Monday 23 March 2009 23:08:41 Kirill Kirillov wrote:
Hi.
I'm using Transmission in openSUSE 11.1. It has Russian translation
much clear look and it's well-integrated into GNOME (it even supports text besides icons option). The only visual glitch for me is using of default application icon instead of its own.
In my opinion, we should give the monsoon project some more time. Perhaps we could come back and discuss the issue of the default torrent client around May/June. There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well. Not
and that
I have anything against transmission, but I think that having decided to use monsoon as the default client in 11.0 we should really not judge it based on the (small) duration between 11.0 and 11.1 (during which, frankly, monsoon did not end up a finished product). At the moment, though, it looks like (to me) that good work is going into it. Regards, -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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Le mardi 24 mars 2009, à 00:22 +0530, Atri a écrit :
There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well.
The fact that 0.20 was packaged in the mono community project and not in G:F is showing that there's an issue. Nobody caring about monsoon is stepping up to help maintain the packages. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 24 March 2009 03:34:57 Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 24 mars 2009, à 00:22 +0530, Atri a écrit :
There seems to be good work going on giving some direction to the project, and I am using the version 0.20 of the application (from mono community repository), and it works well.
The fact that 0.20 was packaged in the mono community project and not in G:F is showing that there's an issue. Nobody caring about monsoon is stepping up to help maintain the packages.
Vincent
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It is also there in the Gnome-community repository. Anyways, much like we did prior to the openSUSE 11.0 release, we should weigh the various bittorrent clients carefully before deciding on the default client, instead of switching to something just because other distributions have it on as default. In this respect both transmission and deluge look promising and polished. -- Atri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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