Hi All, During the GNOME 3.0 discussions at oSC, the issue of limited access to shutdown & hibernate commands came up during the session. I suggested the idea of using the gnome-shell-extension-alt-status-menu by default to give our users Shutdown and Hibernate alongside Suspend in their status menu. At the time, two valid points were made in the defence of keeping our GNOME 3.x installation the same as upstream To paraphrase, they were "Suspend by default makes perfect sense for laptops" and "The ACPI power button works and gives the user opportunity to shutdown" Based on this discussion, my suggestion was to look into the possibility of having the extension installed by default but only on desktops. Atri/badshah400 and others have been helping but this is proving to be rather difficult, with dirty hacks or purposefully causing package conflicts being the only two 'solutions' which should work, neither of which are any good. Furthermore, GNOME 3.2 has changed the situation - the power button's default behaviour is now to suspend, and unlike in gnome 3.0 there is no user-accessible way for this change. This means we are heading towards a 12.1 release with no easy way for our GNOME 3.2 users to shutdown or hibernate their machine. I therefore propose adding gnome-shell-extension-alt-status-menu to our default patterns Suspend will still be highly prominent, still available in the status menu and will remain as the default behaviour for lid close (changeable in tweak-tool) and upon ACPI power button (with no easy way of changing) Time is getting short so vuntz suggests we have a deadline of Tuesday to discuss this.. please say yes, or have really good arguments for why not! :) Richard Brown openSUSE Member (woo!) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+owner@opensuse.org