ons. 5. okt. 2022 kl. 11:13 skrev Milachew <milachew@mail.lv>:
Regarding overloading the environment: I'm talking about overloading "out of the box", compared, for example, with the same Fedora. And I noticed that not only me, but also users from Reddit/YouTube and the like.
Why should we make a clone of Fedora? - Would it not make sense for users that want fedora to install fedora? The reason for us to install a bunch of different software by default, is that we want to finished install to be "usefull" out of the box for as many people as possible. As of right now, I feel we have hit a "reasonable" average install. For the uses that want to customize the installation - pretty please with sugar on top do so, right from the installer - one can disable recommends, one can remove patterns and pattern-packages, and handcraft the install from here to Mars and back again. If endusers want a "Nissan Skyline super trimmed slimmed down edition" of openSUSE GNOME they may install MicroOS GNOME -> hardly a single app installed by default there, and not even recommends is enabled in zypp.conf.
That's why I suggested reducing the base set and the set that is set by default, since it's not difficult to "install" in general (considering the presence of templates), but it can be scary for the unprepared to remove it (especially if he prefers to do it using patterns ).
But it is not scary or dangerous if one just removes the patterns and pattern-packages. Making them smaller does not make the problem "go away" - because what you consider expandable, someone else considers "mandatory". But as said in earlier emails, we do fail in explaining/documenting how to remove patterns/pattern-packages. That is however not a "GNOME" issue, but a openSUSE one in itself.
Regarding existing modules: I propose to reduce them by connecting packages from one pattern to another. Here, as for me, it would be very useful to revise the patterns: * patterns-gnome-gnome * patterns-gnome-gnome_basic * patterns-gnome-gnome_basis * patterns-gnome-gnome_basis_opt
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/GNOME:Next/patterns-gnome Branch the package and change away - then sub it back for review. The pushback you are getting is not to say that changes submitted will be autorejected. They will all be reviewed in time. snip
And finally: how about enabling the default GNOME wallpaper pack (without changing the default wallpaper, of course)?
I did just that 10 days ago - not yet reviewed or rejected - so still waiting. https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1005863 /B