[openFATE 307488] Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu)
Feature added by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Feature #307488, revision 1 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Stephan Binner (Beineri) Feature #307488, revision 2 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! + Discussion: + #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) + You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] + SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE + 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Feature #307488, revision 3 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). + #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) + I want to support this fate. Here my case study: + Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu + structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It + is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio + + For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I + entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such + an idea) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) Feature #307488, revision 4 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) + #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) + In regard of Kde4 : + As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 + I vote for a more flat menu structure! -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Thiago Sayao (sayao) Feature #307488, revision 5 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) In regard of Kde4 : As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 I vote for a more flat menu structure! + #4: Thiago Sayao (sayao) (2010-06-22 13:28:54) + This would be nice, the menu in opensuse has too many levels. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #307488, revision 6 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important + openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Desirable Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) In regard of Kde4 : As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 I vote for a more flat menu structure! #4: Thiago Sayao (sayao) (2010-06-22 13:28:54) This would be nice, the menu in opensuse has too many levels. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) Feature #307488, revision 7 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) In regard of Kde4 : As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 I vote for a more flat menu structure! #4: Thiago Sayao (sayao) (2010-06-22 13:28:54) This would be nice, the menu in opensuse has too many levels. + #5: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-16 02:34:02) + Applies to KDE Kickoff as well, really frustrating and unnecesary. + Reducing menu levels universall6y by one would be the best. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Vincent Untz (vuntz) Feature #307488, revision 8 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) In regard of Kde4 : As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 I vote for a more flat menu structure! #4: Thiago Sayao (sayao) (2010-06-22 13:28:54) This would be nice, the menu in opensuse has too many levels. #5: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-16 02:34:02) Applies to KDE Kickoff as well, really frustrating and unnecesary. Reducing menu levels universall6y by one would be the best. + #6: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2010-09-07 18:50:36) + This is fixed in GNOME now in 11.4. We use another structure than the + KDE one since we were unhappy for exactly this reason. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #307488, revision 9 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) - openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2010-11-08 16:37:41 + reject reason: Not done for 11.3. Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! + This is done for GNOME for openSUSE 11.4 but not yet for KDE. Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio - For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) In regard of Kde4 : As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 I vote for a more flat menu structure! #4: Thiago Sayao (sayao) (2010-06-22 13:28:54) This would be nice, the menu in opensuse has too many levels. #5: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-16 02:34:02) Applies to KDE Kickoff as well, really frustrating and unnecesary. Reducing menu levels universall6y by one would be the best. #6: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2010-09-07 18:50:36) This is fixed in GNOME now in 11.4. We use another structure than the KDE one since we were unhappy for exactly this reason. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
Feature changed by: Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy) Feature #307488, revision 10 Title: Simplify Menus (More like Debian/Ubuntu) openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject date: 2010-11-08 16:37:41 reject reason: Not done for 11.3. Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.4: New + openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy) + reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 release. Priority Requester: Desirable - Requested by: Jason Fergus (jfergus) + openSUSE Distribution: Done + Priority + Requester: Desirable Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I am always shocked at how sloppy the menus are in not only openSUSE, but Mandriva, etc. Most of them have the structure of Applications -> Internet -> Browsers -> Firefox If there is ONE entry under browswers, why have a sub menu? That's one more bit of waiting you have to do for the sub menu to open. Debian and Ubuntu both have it set up as Applications -> Internet -> Firefox. Makes far more sense that way. Now what would be nice is a programmatical way to have the menus create a sub menu if (and only if) the full menu starts to get too full, or there are at least 5 of an application 'type'. This obviously would require some things beyond just the distributions though, and instead would require some alterations to the freedesktop spec for creating menu entries. I do feel that this would help with some major frustrations of users who are thinking of switching. I seriously would have stayed with using openSUSE except for this issue (and the billion different repositories that are out there.) Please FIX THE MENUS! This is done for GNOME for openSUSE 11.4 but not yet for KDE. Discussion: #1: Stephan Binner (beineri) (2009-08-23 15:21:50) You must be talking about GNOME as the KDE desktops to that on [open] SUSE for ages. And it's also supposed to change for GNOME in openSUSE 11.2 (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529057). #2: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:51:00) I want to support this fate. Here my case study: Recently I wanted to change default avi-viewer. I got the menu structure to select my new default viewer. I wanted to choose vlc. It is hidden under: menu/apps/multimedia/audio For I had forgotten vlc to also be an audio-app I didn't find it. (I entered "/usr/bin/vlc" - but I do not expect normal users to get such an idea) #3: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2009-08-23 15:56:08) (reply to #2) In regard of Kde4 : As nowadays users start there apps using favorites or ALT+f2 I vote for a more flat menu structure! #4: Thiago Sayao (sayao) (2010-06-22 13:28:54) This would be nice, the menu in opensuse has too many levels. #5: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-16 02:34:02) Applies to KDE Kickoff as well, really frustrating and unnecesary. Reducing menu levels universall6y by one would be the best. #6: Vincent Untz (vuntz) (2010-09-07 18:50:36) This is fixed in GNOME now in 11.4. We use another structure than the KDE one since we were unhappy for exactly this reason. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307488
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