Feature changed by: Claus Rebler (Zunami) Feature #305705, revision 3 - Title: Types of installation + Title: Types/Category of installation openSUSE-11.2: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: would be good, that at the time of installation opensuse, ask what you want to install, like a template, without having to go to edit to add - software. An example for that will be: Multimedia install Full install - server install developer install + software. System installation tweak with special packages, performance + and settings + for example + * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … + * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … + * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. + * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, + samba, router, server, ... + * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … + * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… + * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software + * minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. + nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to + facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good + for DataCenter server installs. + * and other Category installations… + developer install Discussion: #1: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-19 21:41:32) good idea System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example: * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * Minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305705

Feature changed by: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) Feature #305705, revision 10 Title: Types/Category of installation openSUSE-11.2: New Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Description: would be good, that at the time of installation opensuse, ask what you want to install, like a template, without having to go to edit to add software. System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… developer install Discussion: #1: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-19 21:41:32) good idea System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example: * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * Minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… + #2: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-03-30 01:44:57) + Discussion in this thread has same topic: + http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-03/msg00233.html + The benefits of proposed storage for user package selection and + configuration files are many: + * Streamline package management. When user wants more then one + selection, all YaST has to provide is to merge few of them, or to + extract parts that belong to unwanted. + * Streamline process of user contribution to openSUSE in this area. + This will end discussions what to include in default installation, + which can be cut down to fewer basic desktop components and then user + can import selection with few clicks. + * Reuse experience of experts in different fields. They know what they + need and what application is better for the particular purpose. It will + be possible to create specialized selections that need few tweaks to + come close to user wishes. + * Developers can offer during installation few of popular package + selections. What is popular can be found from download logs on server + that will offer this. + There is few questions to answer: + * What else can be added as validation of package selections beside + downloads? Five star system, for instance. + * How to correct mistakes? + * How to prevent malicious file to land on server? + * How to motivate users to contribute? + * Are there ready to go solutions, that we can reuse? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305705

Feature changed by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Feature #305705, revision 16 Title: Types/Category of installation openSUSE-11.2: Evaluation Priority - Requester: Desirable + Requester: Important Requested by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Description: would be good, that at the time of installation opensuse, ask what you want to install, like a template, without having to go to edit to add software. System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… developer install Discussion: #1: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-19 21:41:32) good idea System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example: * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * Minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… #2: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-03-30 01:44:57) Discussion in this thread has same topic: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-03/msg00233.html The benefits of proposed storage for user package selection and configuration files are many: * Streamline package management. When user wants more then one selection, all YaST has to provide is to merge few of them, or to extract parts that belong to unwanted. * Streamline process of user contribution to openSUSE in this area. This will end discussions what to include in default installation, which can be cut down to fewer basic desktop components and then user can import selection with few clicks. * Reuse experience of experts in different fields. They know what they need and what application is better for the particular purpose. It will be possible to create specialized selections that need few tweaks to come close to user wishes. * Developers can offer during installation few of popular package selections. What is popular can be found from download logs on server that will offer this. There is few questions to answer: * What else can be added as validation of package selections beside downloads? Five star system, for instance. * How to correct mistakes? * How to prevent malicious file to land on server? * How to motivate users to contribute? * Are there ready to go solutions, that we can reuse? #3: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-06-09 14:30:44) I fear this gets rather complicated but let's evaluate it a bit. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305705

Feature changed by: Robert Davies (robopensuse) Feature #305705, revision 18 Title: Types/Category of installation openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Stephan Kulow (coolo) reject date: 2009-06-24 12:11:17 reject reason: for 11.2 this goes too deep and we didn't even start to think about implementation details. So whoever thinks about it, I suggest to do a more detailed proposal. The patterns were supposed to have more weight than just the package selection, but I guess most these settings can be bound to packages installed. E.g. Terminalserver and SUPER install max-performance, laptop installs battery-saving and both these packages conflict. But as I said: 11.3 material imo. Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Description: would be good, that at the time of installation opensuse, ask what you want to install, like a template, without having to go to edit to add software. System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… developer install Discussion: #1: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-19 21:41:32) good idea System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example: * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * Minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… #2: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-03-30 01:44:57) Discussion in this thread has same topic: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-03/msg00233.html The benefits of proposed storage for user package selection and configuration files are many: * Streamline package management. When user wants more then one selection, all YaST has to provide is to merge few of them, or to extract parts that belong to unwanted. * Streamline process of user contribution to openSUSE in this area. This will end discussions what to include in default installation, which can be cut down to fewer basic desktop components and then user can import selection with few clicks. * Reuse experience of experts in different fields. They know what they need and what application is better for the particular purpose. It will be possible to create specialized selections that need few tweaks to come close to user wishes. * Developers can offer during installation few of popular package selections. What is popular can be found from download logs on server that will offer this. There is few questions to answer: * What else can be added as validation of package selections beside downloads? Five star system, for instance. * How to correct mistakes? * How to prevent malicious file to land on server? * How to motivate users to contribute? * Are there ready to go solutions, that we can reuse? #3: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-06-09 14:30:44) I fear this gets rather complicated but let's evaluate it a bit. + #4: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-02 19:26:38) + Debian Install (least expert version) has various "typical" use + scenarios, with software selection based on those.  These are similar + to the broad pattern categories in YaST Software Manager. + I don't think changing configuration settings for performance is a good + idea.  The reason is that it is liable to explode the number of + configurations that need testing.  If someone decides to tweak + something like "echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness" or "put /etc/stab + entries barriers=0", and it exposes a bug, it is an isolated change and + obvious. + Asking volunteer test effort to try Web Server, Terminal Server, Home + Server and Desktop, rather than taking & customising a core default + system appears unrealistic. + Finally in long run, as the kernel changes, what is a good idea for one + release, becomes unecessary or counter productive in later + releases.  Creating code to do the tweaking is causing a maintenance + burden.  Example, 2.6.31 now enables relatime by default with 24 hour + daily update tweak.  Any past tweaks for "noatime" behaviour would now + be dubious, and need discussing. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305705

Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #305705, revision 20 Title: Types/Category of installation + Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Mandatory openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Stephan Kulow (coolo) reject date: 2009-06-24 12:11:17 reject reason: for 11.2 this goes too deep and we didn't even start to think about implementation details. So whoever thinks about it, I suggest to do a more detailed proposal. The patterns were supposed to have more weight than just the package selection, but I guess most these settings can be bound to packages installed. E.g. Terminalserver and SUPER install max-performance, laptop installs battery-saving and both these packages conflict. But as I said: 11.3 material imo. Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Description: would be good, that at the time of installation opensuse, ask what you want to install, like a template, without having to go to edit to add software. System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… developer install Discussion: #1: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-19 21:41:32) good idea System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example: * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * Minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… #2: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-03-30 01:44:57) Discussion in this thread has same topic: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-03/msg00233.html The benefits of proposed storage for user package selection and configuration files are many: * Streamline package management. When user wants more then one selection, all YaST has to provide is to merge few of them, or to extract parts that belong to unwanted. * Streamline process of user contribution to openSUSE in this area. This will end discussions what to include in default installation, which can be cut down to fewer basic desktop components and then user can import selection with few clicks. * Reuse experience of experts in different fields. They know what they need and what application is better for the particular purpose. It will be possible to create specialized selections that need few tweaks to come close to user wishes. * Developers can offer during installation few of popular package selections. What is popular can be found from download logs on server that will offer this. There is few questions to answer: * What else can be added as validation of package selections beside downloads? Five star system, for instance. * How to correct mistakes? * How to prevent malicious file to land on server? * How to motivate users to contribute? * Are there ready to go solutions, that we can reuse? #3: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-06-09 14:30:44) I fear this gets rather complicated but let's evaluate it a bit. #4: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-02 19:26:38) Debian Install (least expert version) has various "typical" use scenarios, with software selection based on those.  These are similar to the broad pattern categories in YaST Software Manager. I don't think changing configuration settings for performance is a good idea.  The reason is that it is liable to explode the number of configurations that need testing.  If someone decides to tweak something like "echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness" or "put /etc/stab entries barriers=0", and it exposes a bug, it is an isolated change and obvious. Asking volunteer test effort to try Web Server, Terminal Server, Home Server and Desktop, rather than taking & customising a core default system appears unrealistic. Finally in long run, as the kernel changes, what is a good idea for one release, becomes unecessary or counter productive in later releases.  Creating code to do the tweaking is causing a maintenance burden.  Example, 2.6.31 now enables relatime by default with 24 hour daily update tweak.  Any past tweaks for "noatime" behaviour would now be dubious, and need discussing. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305705

Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #305705, revision 22 Title: Types/Category of installation - Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + Hackweek V: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2013-08-13 14:59:52 + reject reason: Not done Priority Requester: Mandatory openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Stephan Kulow (coolo) reject date: 2009-06-24 12:11:17 reject reason: for 11.2 this goes too deep and we didn't even start to think about implementation details. So whoever thinks about it, I suggest to do a more detailed proposal. The patterns were supposed to have more weight than just the package selection, but I guess most these settings can be bound to packages installed. E.g. Terminalserver and SUPER install max-performance, laptop installs battery-saving and both these packages conflict. But as I said: 11.3 material imo. Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation by project manager Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2013-08-13 14:59:56 + reject reason: Not done Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Agustin Chavarria (dj_ubun_1) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: would be good, that at the time of installation opensuse, ask what you want to install, like a template, without having to go to edit to add software. System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… developer install Discussion: #1: Claus Rebler (zunami) (2009-01-19 21:41:32) good idea System installation tweak with special packages, performance and settings for example: * Office: max performance for OpenOffice, KOffice Evolution … * Laptop: Wifi Tool, Batterie saving, … * Webserver: minimal system performance, no many tool, apache …. * Linux Home Server: Webserver to configuation, special packages, samba, router, server, ... * Terminalserver: max performance, nx … * MTA Server: postfix all other packages clamav, avais-d… * SUPER SuSe: MAX performace an no many software * Minimal Server: core packages, minimal X11, full networking (i.e. nfs, ssh, dhcp), minimal desktop (kde, gnome or xfce), with freenx to facilitate remote GUI admin, but the absolute smallest diskspace. Good for DataCenter server installs. * and other Category installations… #2: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2009-03-30 01:44:57) Discussion in this thread has same topic: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-03/msg00233.html The benefits of proposed storage for user package selection and configuration files are many: * Streamline package management. When user wants more then one selection, all YaST has to provide is to merge few of them, or to extract parts that belong to unwanted. * Streamline process of user contribution to openSUSE in this area. This will end discussions what to include in default installation, which can be cut down to fewer basic desktop components and then user can import selection with few clicks. * Reuse experience of experts in different fields. They know what they need and what application is better for the particular purpose. It will be possible to create specialized selections that need few tweaks to come close to user wishes. * Developers can offer during installation few of popular package selections. What is popular can be found from download logs on server that will offer this. There is few questions to answer: * What else can be added as validation of package selections beside downloads? Five star system, for instance. * How to correct mistakes? * How to prevent malicious file to land on server? * How to motivate users to contribute? * Are there ready to go solutions, that we can reuse? #3: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2009-06-09 14:30:44) I fear this gets rather complicated but let's evaluate it a bit. #4: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-02 19:26:38) Debian Install (least expert version) has various "typical" use scenarios, with software selection based on those.  These are similar to the broad pattern categories in YaST Software Manager. I don't think changing configuration settings for performance is a good idea.  The reason is that it is liable to explode the number of configurations that need testing.  If someone decides to tweak something like "echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness" or "put /etc/stab entries barriers=0", and it exposes a bug, it is an isolated change and obvious. Asking volunteer test effort to try Web Server, Terminal Server, Home Server and Desktop, rather than taking & customising a core default system appears unrealistic. Finally in long run, as the kernel changes, what is a good idea for one release, becomes unecessary or counter productive in later releases.  Creating code to do the tweaking is causing a maintenance burden.  Example, 2.6.31 now enables relatime by default with 24 hour daily update tweak.  Any past tweaks for "noatime" behaviour would now be dubious, and need discussing. #5: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-16 02:42:27) I recall how back in 2000 RedHat asked similar question during installation. Mandrake efforts improved automatic hardware detection & configuration so much, that it was done away with. I don't see point in this, but the option of installing or removing additional software during DVD install should be better presented. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305705