Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #308876, revision 4 Title: Include GNU nano in default install, livecd and install medias openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) Description: GNU nano is a very small and user-friendly text editor. There are lots of tips and resources and how-tos on the internet for linux that use nano when simple command-line text editing is needed. The lack of nano on opensuse means that most users can get stuck if they need to use a rescue system or live system to edit some files, and most suggestions point to using vi, which although very powerful and a better editor, is not user-friendly at all. (Ever tried to rescue a system over the phone, and had to step someone through editing a file using vi?) The nano rpm for opensuse 11.2 comes in at 350K, so even installed nano has a very small footprint. Ubuntu, Gentoo and many other distros include nano in their rescue, live, and default installs, and even as their default editor when using the shell. I know a possible alternative is joe, but joe is very unknown, and most people never know what it is or that it is there. (Small popularity experiment using google trends here (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod%2C+joe+linux&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=2) .) + Discussion: + #1: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-25 12:36:51) + I suppose we do not install emacs, joe, or mcedit for the same reason. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308876

Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #308876, revision 6 Title: Include GNU nano in default install, livecd and install medias openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) Description: GNU nano is a very small and user-friendly text editor. There are lots of tips and resources and how-tos on the internet for linux that use nano when simple command-line text editing is needed. The lack of nano on opensuse means that most users can get stuck if they need to use a rescue system or live system to edit some files, and most suggestions point to using vi, which although very powerful and a better editor, is not user-friendly at all. (Ever tried to rescue a system over the phone, and had to step someone through editing a file using vi?) The nano rpm for opensuse 11.2 comes in at 350K, so even installed nano has a very small footprint. Ubuntu, Gentoo and many other distros include nano in their rescue, live, and default installs, and even as their default editor when using the shell. I know a possible alternative is joe, but joe is very unknown, and most people never know what it is or that it is there. (Small popularity experiment using google trends here (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod%2C+joe+linux&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=2) .) Discussion: #1: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-25 12:36:51) I suppose we do not install emacs, joe, or mcedit for the same reason. #2: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-26 00:09:08) (reply to #1) Until your post, I had never heard of mcedit, and I've been a full-time openSUSE user since 9.1 . And emacs isn't really comparable to nano in terms of footprint on disk and user-friendliness -- I'm not asking for an editor because it's a my favourite editor and I really like it (I tend to use vi for shell editing these days). I'm asking because it is a very simple editor, one that does the job nicely when any kind of user needs to do a quick edit of a text file from a shell, and that is featured on many guides and howto's for linux on the internet (and to be honest should replace the usage of vi for that purpose). Updated link (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod% 2C+joe+linux%2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1) to google trends comparing nano, joe and mcedit. + #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-27 00:38:59) (reply to #2) + http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+editor+-ipod%2C+joe+editor% + 2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308876

Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #308876, revision 8 Title: Include GNU nano in default install, livecd and install medias openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) Description: GNU nano is a very small and user-friendly text editor. There are lots of tips and resources and how-tos on the internet for linux that use nano when simple command-line text editing is needed. The lack of nano on opensuse means that most users can get stuck if they need to use a rescue system or live system to edit some files, and most suggestions point to using vi, which although very powerful and a better editor, is not user-friendly at all. (Ever tried to rescue a system over the phone, and had to step someone through editing a file using vi?) The nano rpm for opensuse 11.2 comes in at 350K, so even installed nano has a very small footprint. Ubuntu, Gentoo and many other distros include nano in their rescue, live, and default installs, and even as their default editor when using the shell. I know a possible alternative is joe, but joe is very unknown, and most people never know what it is or that it is there. (Small popularity experiment using google trends here (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod%2C+joe+linux&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=2) .) Discussion: #1: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-25 12:36:51) I suppose we do not install emacs, joe, or mcedit for the same reason. #2: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-26 00:09:08) (reply to #1) Until your post, I had never heard of mcedit, and I've been a full-time openSUSE user since 9.1 . And emacs isn't really comparable to nano in terms of footprint on disk and user-friendliness -- I'm not asking for an editor because it's a my favourite editor and I really like it (I tend to use vi for shell editing these days). I'm asking because it is a very simple editor, one that does the job nicely when any kind of user needs to do a quick edit of a text file from a shell, and that is featured on many guides and howto's for linux on the internet (and to be honest should replace the usage of vi for that purpose). Updated link (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod% 2C+joe+linux%2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1) to google trends comparing nano, joe and mcedit. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-27 00:38:59) (reply to #2) http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+editor+-ipod%2C+joe+editor% 2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 #4: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-27 22:29:00) (reply to #3) That link is an interesting counter-point, but it also shows that joe's popularity has indeed been decreasing and is currently below nano's. + #5: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-31 20:17:31) (reply to #4) + I do not really take these graphs as authoritative. They look too much + like having only two states - or a Google database failure. Or that + nano is buggier. Whichever interpretation to choose. At the end of the + day, we are no wiser. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308876

Feature changed by: Dimitar Pashov (pashov_d) Feature #308876, revision 10 Title: Include GNU nano in default install, livecd and install medias openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) Description: GNU nano is a very small and user-friendly text editor. There are lots of tips and resources and how-tos on the internet for linux that use nano when simple command-line text editing is needed. The lack of nano on opensuse means that most users can get stuck if they need to use a rescue system or live system to edit some files, and most suggestions point to using vi, which although very powerful and a better editor, is not user-friendly at all. (Ever tried to rescue a system over the phone, and had to step someone through editing a file using vi?) The nano rpm for opensuse 11.2 comes in at 350K, so even installed nano has a very small footprint. Ubuntu, Gentoo and many other distros include nano in their rescue, live, and default installs, and even as their default editor when using the shell. I know a possible alternative is joe, but joe is very unknown, and most people never know what it is or that it is there. (Small popularity experiment using google trends here (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod%2C+joe+linux&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=2) .) Discussion: #1: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-25 12:36:51) I suppose we do not install emacs, joe, or mcedit for the same reason. #2: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-26 00:09:08) (reply to #1) Until your post, I had never heard of mcedit, and I've been a full-time openSUSE user since 9.1 . And emacs isn't really comparable to nano in terms of footprint on disk and user-friendliness -- I'm not asking for an editor because it's a my favourite editor and I really like it (I tend to use vi for shell editing these days). I'm asking because it is a very simple editor, one that does the job nicely when any kind of user needs to do a quick edit of a text file from a shell, and that is featured on many guides and howto's for linux on the internet (and to be honest should replace the usage of vi for that purpose). Updated link (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod% 2C+joe+linux%2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1) to google trends comparing nano, joe and mcedit. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-27 00:38:59) (reply to #2) http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+editor+-ipod%2C+joe+editor% 2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 #4: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-27 22:29:00) (reply to #3) That link is an interesting counter-point, but it also shows that joe's popularity has indeed been decreasing and is currently below nano's. #5: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-31 20:17:31) (reply to #4) I do not really take these graphs as authoritative. They look too much like having only two states - or a Google database failure. Or that nano is buggier. Whichever interpretation to choose. At the end of the day, we are no wiser. #6: Leo Eraly (leraly) (2010-02-09 14:49:06) If nano is really that important for you you could easily build your own 'custom' live cd with suse studio and include all your favorite tools on it. At least that is how I do it... + #7: Dimitar Pashov (pashov_d) (2010-02-24 15:12:35) + Nano is a simple, small and fairly popular editor. Even redhat has it + in the default. It will be good to have it in openSUSE too. It is + easier to walk people through ediditing config files with nano from a + root terminal than explaining them about the nuisances of vi/vim. + Nano is a no-nonsence console editor and deserves recognition. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308876

Feature changed by: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) Feature #308876, revision 12 Title: Include GNU nano in default install, livecd and install medias openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) Description: GNU nano is a very small and user-friendly text editor. There are lots of tips and resources and how-tos on the internet for linux that use nano when simple command-line text editing is needed. The lack of nano on opensuse means that most users can get stuck if they need to use a rescue system or live system to edit some files, and most suggestions point to using vi, which although very powerful and a better editor, is not user-friendly at all. (Ever tried to rescue a system over the phone, and had to step someone through editing a file using vi?) The nano rpm for opensuse 11.2 comes in at 350K, so even installed nano has a very small footprint. Ubuntu, Gentoo and many other distros include nano in their rescue, live, and default installs, and even as their default editor when using the shell. I know a possible alternative is joe, but joe is very unknown, and most people never know what it is or that it is there. (Small popularity experiment using google trends here (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod%2C+joe+linux&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=2) .) Discussion: #1: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-25 12:36:51) I suppose we do not install emacs, joe, or mcedit for the same reason. #2: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-26 00:09:08) (reply to #1) Until your post, I had never heard of mcedit, and I've been a full-time openSUSE user since 9.1 . And emacs isn't really comparable to nano in terms of footprint on disk and user-friendliness -- I'm not asking for an editor because it's a my favourite editor and I really like it (I tend to use vi for shell editing these days). I'm asking because it is a very simple editor, one that does the job nicely when any kind of user needs to do a quick edit of a text file from a shell, and that is featured on many guides and howto's for linux on the internet (and to be honest should replace the usage of vi for that purpose). Updated link (http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+linux+-ipod% 2C+joe+linux%2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1) to google trends comparing nano, joe and mcedit. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-27 00:38:59) (reply to #2) http://www.google.com/trends?q=nano+editor+-ipod%2C+joe+editor% 2C+mcedit&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 #4: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-01-27 22:29:00) (reply to #3) That link is an interesting counter-point, but it also shows that joe's popularity has indeed been decreasing and is currently below nano's. #5: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-01-31 20:17:31) (reply to #4) I do not really take these graphs as authoritative. They look too much like having only two states - or a Google database failure. Or that nano is buggier. Whichever interpretation to choose. At the end of the day, we are no wiser. #6: Leo Eraly (leraly) (2010-02-09 14:49:06) If nano is really that important for you you could easily build your own 'custom' live cd with suse studio and include all your favorite tools on it. At least that is how I do it... #7: Dimitar Pashov (pashov_d) (2010-02-24 15:12:35) Nano is a simple, small and fairly popular editor. Even redhat has it in the default. It will be good to have it in openSUSE too. It is easier to walk people through ediditing config files with nano from a root terminal than explaining them about the nuisances of vi/vim. Nano is a no-nonsence console editor and deserves recognition. #8: Markus K (kamikazow) (2010-03-14 03:04:47) And vim should be removed from the default install / Live CD + #9: Ivo Anjo (knuckles) (2010-03-14 13:23:27) (reply to #8) + I wouldn't go that far, especially because it has been there for a long + time, and many people expect it to be there. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308876