Feature changed by: Adam N (A-D4M) Feature #310979, revision 3 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are - more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more - comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button - will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most - users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. + more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. + Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. + Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. + In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click + behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

Feature changed by: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) Feature #310979, revision 5 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. + #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) + Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI + symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click + implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost + (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some + users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) + where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to + the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more + sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an + inferior concept. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

Feature changed by: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) Feature #310979, revision 7 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). + #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) + I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try + using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of + "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when + installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of + what it does. + Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user + logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in + KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it

Feature changed by: Adam N (A-D4M) Feature #310979, revision 9 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of what it does. Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. #5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4) prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If the double click option would be offered many people will just select, and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click is! The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or whatever the path is). + #6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00) + Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent + RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For + the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click + should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as + possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is + so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle + to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an + unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative + perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click + and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can + better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of + the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the + opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem + like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is + concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the + trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal. + I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little + things. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it

Feature changed by: Alex Armstrong (AlexRArmstrong) Feature #310979, revision 11 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of what it does. Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. #5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4) prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If the double click option would be offered many people will just select, and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click is! The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or whatever the path is). + #8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to + #4) + >Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged + into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4, + although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. + I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It + would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available + (possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are), + and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them. #6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00) Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal. I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little things. #7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6) If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click. If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to prevent problems in the future! -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it

Feature changed by: Ilya Chernykh (Ansus) Feature #310979, revision 13 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of what it does. Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. #5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4) prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If the double click option would be offered many people will just select, and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click is! The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or whatever the path is). #8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to #4)

Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available (possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are), and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them.

#6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00) Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal. I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little things. #7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6) If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click. If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to prevent problems in the future! #9: peter hoyer (ccrieo) (2010-12-24 04:52:58) Be different from others can be chance. If you voted for a new system, you should be made aware by others of the advantage of a good innovation. Opensuse have the instruments in form of this feature list and mailing lists, where you can ask for adoption. In other systems you can change the behaviour of the mouse so you can do in the personal settings of kde. But do not overload the running system with features which are not helpful profiling the advantages of kde and bring them to new users. At the end it depends on the user himself, but he/she should be in the beginning open and innovative for new features of kde like a good continuing dialogue. If everything is the same like other desktops, why should I change the desktop and install it on my system. Helpful would be an icon of the personal settings on the desktop or on another place, so you get directed to this point of settings. + #10: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-24 16:30:04) + Do not change anything. The worser KDE4 is the better - more users will + abandon it. Of note is that the developers of Trinity KDE3 branch had + recently set the double-click a default behavior in Trinity. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it

Feature changed by: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) Feature #310979, revision 15 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde - openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed + openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) + reject reason: Very unpopular proposal. Be it rejected for now. Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of what it does. Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. #5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4) prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If the double click option would be offered many people will just select, and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click is! The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or whatever the path is). #8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to #4)

Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available (possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are), and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them.

#6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00) Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal. I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little things. #7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6) If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click. If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to prevent problems in the future! #9: peter hoyer (ccrieo) (2010-12-24 04:52:58) Be different from others can be chance. If you voted for a new system, you should be made aware by others of the advantage of a good innovation. Opensuse have the instruments in form of this feature list and mailing lists, where you can ask for adoption. In other systems you can change the behaviour of the mouse so you can do in the personal settings of kde. But do not overload the running system with features which are not helpful profiling the advantages of kde and bring them to new users. At the end it depends on the user himself, but he/she should be in the beginning open and innovative for new features of kde like a good continuing dialogue. If everything is the same like other desktops, why should I change the desktop and install it on my system. Helpful would be an icon of the personal settings on the desktop or on another place, so you get directed to this point of settings. #10: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-24 16:30:04) Do not change anything. The worser KDE4 is the better - more users will abandon it. Of note is that the developers of Trinity KDE3 branch had recently set the double-click a default behavior in Trinity. #11: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2010-12-26 08:46:13) (reply to #10) Yes, and we will go back to what? Back to the '90s? How nice, I really can't wait... NOT! -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it

Feature changed by: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) Feature #310979, revision 17 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) reject reason: Very unpopular proposal. Be it rejected for now. Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of what it does. Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. #5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4) prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If the double click option would be offered many people will just select, and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click is! The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or whatever the path is). #8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to #4)

Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available (possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are), and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them.

#6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00) Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal. I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little things. #7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6) If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click. If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to prevent problems in the future! #9: peter hoyer (ccrieo) (2010-12-24 04:52:58) Be different from others can be chance. If you voted for a new system, you should be made aware by others of the advantage of a good innovation. Opensuse have the instruments in form of this feature list and mailing lists, where you can ask for adoption. In other systems you can change the behaviour of the mouse so you can do in the personal settings of kde. But do not overload the running system with features which are not helpful profiling the advantages of kde and bring them to new users. At the end it depends on the user himself, but he/she should be in the beginning open and innovative for new features of kde like a good continuing dialogue. If everything is the same like other desktops, why should I change the desktop and install it on my system. Helpful would be an icon of the personal settings on the desktop or on another place, so you get directed to this point of settings. #10: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-24 16:30:04) Do not change anything. The worser KDE4 is the better - more users will abandon it. Of note is that the developers of Trinity KDE3 branch had recently set the double-click a default behavior in Trinity. #11: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2010-12-26 08:46:13) (reply to #10) Yes, and we will go back to what? Back to the '90s? How nice, I really can't wait... NOT! #12: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-27 00:26:27) (reply to #11) I really cannot understand your connection with 90-s. On Windows it is standard behavior from 80-s till now as well as on MacOS and other DEs, including Gnome. + #13: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2010-12-27 13:09:19) (reply to #12) + I was referring to the "The worser KDE4 is the better - more users will + abandon it"... wait, I suspect a KDE3 troll here. Won't bother... -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979

But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of > "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer I don't agree with this. It would be good to include an explanation that on linux (or in KDE) single click is normal, with the reason why that is done. Because it is easier, it

Feature changed by: Ilya Chernykh (Ansus) Feature #310979, revision 19 Title: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folde openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) reject reason: Very unpopular proposal. Be it rejected for now. Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Adam N (a-d4m) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Set the default mouse behaviour of KDE 4.x to double click to open files / folders. Current default is single-click to open files / folders Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Many new users migrating from other operating systems are more comfortable with a double-click behaviour. Gnome users are more comfortable with double-click. Accidentally hitting the mouse button will not resort in any action. In absence of statistics, I believe most users change the single-click behaviour to double-click. I prefer double-click Discussion: #1: Ricardo Gabriel Berlasso (rgbsuse) (2010-12-13 18:56:51) "In absence of statistics" a believe is not enough. For my part I prefer the default behavior (single click to select --green plus sign-- and single click to open) and simply cannot tolerate the old school double click when need to use windows or gnome based systems. On kde 3. x I used to use double click, but when started using kde4 it took me less than a minute to get used to the new system. #2: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-14 08:37:41) Repetitive double-clicking was one of the primary causes of RSI symptoms I developed years ago. I see KDE4's single-click implementation as well thought out and more of an accessibility boost (though I don't know technically the possible drawbacks for some users). There are still some points on my system (GNOME progs mainly) where I have to double-click and it feels so alien and a step back to the dark ages. I'd rather have a default that looks to a more sophisticated future than one which caters for users familiar with an inferior concept. #3: Benjamin Misja (alvanx) (2010-12-19 16:57:02) Once I deciced to dive and give it a try at around KDE 4.1, it didn't take very long for me to get used to one click opening. I consider this a huge usability improvement. When I had to get Win7 (dual-boot) earlier this year, I was excited to see that you can actually even set the single-click behavior in Windows! I don't think it hurts for people to try something new, especially if it is a) helpful and b) easy to get accustomed to. Besides, changing this setting is just a few clicks away for anyone (in fact about half as many as it would be with the double click behavior ;-) ). #4: Konstantin Neshin (b_m_kast) (2010-12-20 07:42:54) I've got used to single click absolutely, so my hand hurts when I try using GNOME again :) But probably it's a good idea to add some kind of "Emulate Windows Behaviour" option to the installer (at least when installing openSUSE with KDE desktop), with a thorough explanation of what it does. Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. #5: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 10:23:35) (reply to #4) prevents RSI (double click requires quite some musle power), etc. If the double click option would be offered many people will just select, and they won't be exposed to the better functionality that single click is! The explanation can provide the how to enable double click (open main menu -> select personal settings -> mouse -> select double click (or whatever the path is). #8: Alex Armstrong (alexrarmstrong) (2010-12-24 01:40:32) (reply to #4)

Also, I recall a great configuration wizard that ran when the user >logged into KDE3 for the first time. AFAIK there's no such thing in >KDE4, although it would be extremely useful for KDE newcomers. I agree that a first run configuration wizard would be a good idea. It would give newcomers a chance to see what options are available (possibly with explanations of why the defaults are the way they are), and old hands a shortcut to set things up just the way they want them.

#6: Adam N (a-d4m) (2010-12-20 15:01:00) Seems to be an unpopular suggestion :-) Single click does not prevent RSI, that is a false claim. It only helps those suffering from RSI. For the benefit of the promotion and adoption of openSUSE double click should be default behaviour. Make new users feel as comfortable as possible at the start, get them interested. As pointed out, yes it is so easy to change the default behaviour but many new user can struggle to do this. Some will give up trying. Single click behaviour is an unnecessary obstacle for such users and can lead to a negative perception. The majority of the world is using Windows and double click and many of those users are trying opensuse out of curiosity. If we can better appeal to those very users and leave a good impression "out of the box" this will boost there confidence in opensuse and remove the opportunity of providing negative feedback/views to others. It may seem like I am turning a small issue into a big one but when marketing is concerned it is always the small things that count. It is always the trivial and minor negative points that make or break a deal. I want to see openSUSE succeed, lets start by ironing out the little things. #7: Richard Bos (rbos) (2010-12-20 16:30:00) (reply to #6) If you would make double click the default now, you'll create a problem for the future! In that case no one will ever go back to single click. If a person can not overcome the single click behaviour he or she is just not ready to make the big step. Leave single click the default, to prevent problems in the future! #9: peter hoyer (ccrieo) (2010-12-24 04:52:58) Be different from others can be chance. If you voted for a new system, you should be made aware by others of the advantage of a good innovation. Opensuse have the instruments in form of this feature list and mailing lists, where you can ask for adoption. In other systems you can change the behaviour of the mouse so you can do in the personal settings of kde. But do not overload the running system with features which are not helpful profiling the advantages of kde and bring them to new users. At the end it depends on the user himself, but he/she should be in the beginning open and innovative for new features of kde like a good continuing dialogue. If everything is the same like other desktops, why should I change the desktop and install it on my system. Helpful would be an icon of the personal settings on the desktop or on another place, so you get directed to this point of settings. #10: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-24 16:30:04) Do not change anything. The worser KDE4 is the better - more users will abandon it. Of note is that the developers of Trinity KDE3 branch had recently set the double-click a default behavior in Trinity. #11: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2010-12-26 08:46:13) (reply to #10) Yes, and we will go back to what? Back to the '90s? How nice, I really can't wait... NOT! #12: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-27 00:26:27) (reply to #11) I really cannot understand your connection with 90-s. On Windows it is standard behavior from 80-s till now as well as on MacOS and other DEs, including Gnome. #13: Grozdan Nikolov (microchip8) (2010-12-27 13:09:19) (reply to #12) I was referring to the "The worser KDE4 is the better - more users will abandon it"... wait, I suspect a KDE3 troll here. Won't bother... #14: Jos Poortvliet (jospoortvliet) (2010-12-27 21:30:53) Let me try to summarize (and add): Reasons for double click: - familiarity for win/mac/gnome users - harder to select files ** Reasons for single click: - prevention of RSI - easier to understand for new computer users* - better on touch screens As the only real reason for keeping double click is familiarity (which is serious but not very hard to get used to) I vote for keeping single click. Notice that getting used to single click is actually harder for advanced users because they actually understand when to single- or double click. Telling a 'normal' user "you never need to double click" solves the problem for them already. Advanced users take a bit longer, in my experience. *many users, even those used to double click, still have trouble with it. Just observe them - either at home or in the office! They doubleclick items on the taskbar or quickstart. The reason is simple: it's not clear when to use double- or single click. Yes, for an advanced user it is crystal clear. But so are many other things - things that make no sense for common users. ** the big problem with single click is actually just one thing: selecting files easily without executing them. The plus on the top-left that was introduced in KDE 4.0 solves this issue quite nicely - hence there is not realy a disadvantage anymore. + #15: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-12-30 17:25:08) (reply to #14) + You forgot the main advantage: it will be not like in Windows which is + the main drive for a majority of Linux users. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310979