[New: openFATE 310668] run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no'
Feature added by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Feature #310668, revision 1 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Roger Luedecke (Shadowolf7) Feature #310668, revision 3 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon. conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. + Discussion: + #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) + Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be + included. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #310668, revision 5 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs - a - hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. - What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master - volume is - changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should - choose - to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) - Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to - limit the - max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by - 'flat-volumes = yes' ! - Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon. - conf'. I - think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. - And only - because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, - we don't - need that as well. - Reproducible: Always - Steps to Reproduce: - 1. play a song - 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. - itself - 3. master volume is pushed up as well - Expected Results: - The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. + a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and + painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the + master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue + application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried + (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume + slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is + totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes + = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is + clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because + Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't + need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a + song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the + app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The + user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) Feature #310668, revision 6 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. + #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) + why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a + feature and not a _bug_ report? + and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up + the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Feature #310668, revision 7 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... + #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) + (reply to #2) + Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for + 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' + damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( + https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I + writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on + openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... + Does anybody even care about stuff like this? + c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Feature #310668, revision 8 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. + #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) + I've filed a bug against 12.1 + If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and + burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Feature #310668, revision 9 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Important + openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Desirable Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #310668, revision 11 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' - openSUSE-11.4: New + openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed + openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) Feature #310668, revision 12 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. + #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) + See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 + and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes + enabled. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Feature #310668, revision 14 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. + #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) + Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. + So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this + feature in the next OpenSUSE release. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Feature #310668, revision 16 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable + Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) Feature #310668, revision 17 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. + #7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16) + I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be + good for this also -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: patrick shanahan (paka) Feature #310668, revision 19 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. #7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16) I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be good for this also + #8: patrick shanahan (paka) (2014-02-01 00:30:44) + Yes, it should be default and should be switchable by the PulseAudio + Volume Control module -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Alan Bortu (alanbortu) Feature #310668, revision 20 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. #7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16) I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be good for this also + #9: Alan Bortu (alanbortu) (2014-02-01 03:29:34) (reply to #7) + I am okay with this if it is an option that can be chosen from YaST or + Kmix. It would make it much easier to change it if you dont like the + default setting (whatever that may be) #8: patrick shanahan (paka) (2014-02-01 00:30:44) Yes, it should be default and should be switchable by the PulseAudio Volume Control module -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Sergey Kondakov (X0F) Feature #310668, revision 23 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. #7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16) I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be good for this also #9: Alan Bortu (alanbortu) (2014-02-01 03:29:34) (reply to #7) I am okay with this if it is an option that can be chosen from YaST or Kmix. It would make it much easier to change it if you dont like the default setting (whatever that may be) #8: patrick shanahan (paka) (2014-02-01 00:30:44) Yes, it should be default and should be switchable by the PulseAudio Volume Control module + #10: Sergey Kondakov (x0f) (2015-02-03 12:05:35) + Score is +45 and it's rejected. In OpenFate the fate is so open, you + guys. But hey, we apparently need compatibility with Windows, to be + bloated and broken by design. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Christian Boltz (cboltz) Feature #310668, revision 24 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. #7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16) I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be good for this also #9: Alan Bortu (alanbortu) (2014-02-01 03:29:34) (reply to #7) I am okay with this if it is an option that can be chosen from YaST or Kmix. It would make it much easier to change it if you dont like the default setting (whatever that may be) #8: patrick shanahan (paka) (2014-02-01 00:30:44) Yes, it should be default and should be switchable by the PulseAudio Volume Control module #10: Sergey Kondakov (x0f) (2015-02-03 12:05:35) Score is +45 and it's rejected. In OpenFate the fate is so open, you guys. But hey, we apparently need compatibility with Windows, to be bloated and broken by design. + #11: Christian Boltz (cboltz) (2016-02-29 22:20:16) + After today's Tumbleweed update: + # rpm -q --changelog pulseaudio | head -n3 * Mi Feb 24 2016 hguo [at] + suse.com - Disable flat-volumes by default with config + disable_flat_volumes.conf Remedy for Fate # 310668 (/310668) . + So it seems this was finally fixed :-) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
Feature changed by: Dominique Leuenberger (dimstar_suse) Feature #310668, revision 25 Title: run pulseaudio server with 'flat-volumes=no' openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject reason: Not done in time for 11.4 Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager + openSUSE Distribution: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) Requested by: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: I listen to music while writing... and every single time I change songs a hilariously loud POP is almost killing my ears. This is annoying and painful. What's also annoying is that with 'flat-volumes = yes' the master volume is changed to the loudest individual stream. If a rogue application should choose to up the volume, my ears get fried (headphones !) Personally I think the purpose of having a master volume slider is to limit the max volume to avoid this kind of crap, which is totally nullified by 'flat-volumes = yes' ! Proposal: use 'flat-volumes = no' as the default in '/etc/pulse/daemon.conf'. I think the user is clever enough to handle the volume sliders himself. And only because Vista or W7 fiddles with the master volume in this _sick_ way, we don't need that as well. Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. play a song 2. increase the volume for the app. using pavucontrol or with the app. itself 3. master volume is pushed up as well Expected Results: The user should be the _only_ one messing with MASTER VOLUME. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: With 'flat-volumes=yes' it is possible to get permanent hearing damage if unexpected volume surges are forced into the user's ears! Again with this feature enabled _any_ application that uses pulseaudio can set the master volume to 100%. That might be tolerable with a stereo system with a manual volume knob, but on a laptop + headphones this is close to a criminal assault. Discussion: #1: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-09-16 03:33:48) Never had this problem myself, but it is an easy fix and should be included. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2011-09-17 15:19:05) why is this feature for openSUSE-11.4 and not for 12.1? why is this a feature and not a _bug_ report? and for the W7 reference if i turn down the master volume and turn up the volume in iTunes, it does not affect the master volume at all... #3: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 19:53:52) (reply to #2) Now you guys are pulling my leg, aren't you. a) why is this (still) for 11.4... because it is present since 11.4 and nobody did give a friggin' damn about it. b) why is this not a bug report... IT IS! for 11.3... ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=642978 ) And why am I writing here? Because some dude told me this: "Please discuss on openFATE" Seriously, I wonder why I even write bug reports anymore... Does anybody even care about stuff like this? c) OK, maybe W7 doesn't suck as much as Vista. #4: robert spitzenpfeil (robert_spitzenpfeil) (2011-09-17 20:06:11) I've filed a bug against 12.1 If I'm _again_ told to discuss it here, I will switch to Ubuntu and burn every single openSUSE medium I can find. #5: Scott Reeves (sreeves1) (2011-11-03 07:21:36) See the comments in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718728 and http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/949 for reasons to keep flat-volumes enabled. #6: Andrei Amuraritei (sirdeiu) (2014-01-31 11:49:03) Voted +1 on this. Posted to the opensuse ML and in this thread https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/494849-KMix-PulseAudio-Streams-and-Volume-Levels?p=2620912&posted=1#post2620912. So far the majority also +1 this change, so maybe we'll get this feature in the next OpenSUSE release. #7: Dylan Brewis (isiluin) (2014-01-31 12:13:16) I think an option in the "PulseAudio Configuration" dialog would be good for this also #9: Alan Bortu (alanbortu) (2014-02-01 03:29:34) (reply to #7) I am okay with this if it is an option that can be chosen from YaST or Kmix. It would make it much easier to change it if you dont like the default setting (whatever that may be) #8: patrick shanahan (paka) (2014-02-01 00:30:44) Yes, it should be default and should be switchable by the PulseAudio Volume Control module #10: Sergey Kondakov (x0f) (2015-02-03 12:05:35) Score is +45 and it's rejected. In OpenFate the fate is so open, you guys. But hey, we apparently need compatibility with Windows, to be bloated and broken by design. #11: Christian Boltz (cboltz) (2016-02-29 22:20:16) After today's Tumbleweed update: # rpm -q --changelog pulseaudio | head -n3 * Mi Feb 24 2016 hguo [at] suse.com - Disable flat-volumes by default with config disable_flat_volumes.conf Remedy for Fate # 310668 (/310668) . So it seems this was finally fixed :-) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310668
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