Feature changed by: Tom Zöhner (zoehneto) Feature #310379, revision 3 Title: SUSE Application Center openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) Description: Ubuntu 9.10 had one great new feature in it: the Ubuntu Software Center. It's radically dumped down, clean and uncluttered version of Synaptic. See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter)  for throughout description. It is not intended to replace Synaptic, but to make installing software more accessible. This is definitely something openSUSE needs. YaST is even more powerful than Synaptic, but it's also more cluttered (at least in KDE). Thus, the demand for clearly presented centralized software installation and removal is also larger. I'm proposing, that we bluntly copy Ubuntu Software Center principles and create a native Qt interface for KDE.  We might even go further, and give it even sharper "app store" look & feel by making it to present graphical applications only. More advanced users could use YaST or zypp like nothing happened. Use Case: Case 1: New user wants to install Kdenlive. Search in YaST provides plethora of packages, including libraries & debug items. Confusing. Search in Application Center produces only one result. Case 2: advanced user wants to take a glimpse what's available for his new desktop after installation. Application Center presents only graphical applications, offering quick method to do that. + Discussion: + #1: Tom Zöhner (zoehneto) (2010-08-20 18:01:20) + Yast is, in my opinion, much easier to use then Synaptik, so i think it + would be wrong to default to a "Ubuntu Software Center" type thing (it + needs to be the default, otherwise its not easy) which is in no way + Power full and doesn't make sense since for example + "add/remove Repositorys" isn't made simple. For these reasons I suggest + we don't integrate a "Package management for idiots" solution and + instead (if it really is cluttered, which i don't think it is) fix + Yast. +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310379

Feature changed by: Denny Beyer (lumnis) Feature #310379, revision 5 Title: SUSE Application Center openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) Description: Ubuntu 9.10 had one great new feature in it: the Ubuntu Software Center. It's radically dumped down, clean and uncluttered version of Synaptic. See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter)  for throughout description. It is not intended to replace Synaptic, but to make installing software more accessible. This is definitely something openSUSE needs. YaST is even more powerful than Synaptic, but it's also more cluttered (at least in KDE). Thus, the demand for clearly presented centralized software installation and removal is also larger. I'm proposing, that we bluntly copy Ubuntu Software Center principles and create a native Qt interface for KDE.  We might even go further, and give it even sharper "app store" look & feel by making it to present graphical applications only. More advanced users could use YaST or zypp like nothing happened. Use Case: Case 1: New user wants to install Kdenlive. Search in YaST provides plethora of packages, including libraries & debug items. Confusing. Search in Application Center produces only one result. Case 2: advanced user wants to take a glimpse what's available for his new desktop after installation. Application Center presents only graphical applications, offering quick method to do that. Discussion: #1: Tom Zöhner (zoehneto) (2010-08-20 18:01:20) Yast is, in my opinion, much easier to use then Synaptik, so i think it would be wrong to default to a "Ubuntu Software Center" type thing (it needs to be the default, otherwise its not easy) which is in no way Power full and doesn't make sense since for example "add/remove Repositorys" isn't made simple. For these reasons I suggest we don't integrate a "Package management for idiots" solution and instead (if it really is cluttered, which i don't think it is) fix Yast.   #2: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-08-20 18:06:00) (reply to #1) I think you missed the point.  The comparison to Synaptic was a bad one in my mind.  I view the Ubuntu Software Center more like shopping.  Most people go into the store to buy bread.  To a certain extent they don't care what's in the bread, just that its bread and its the brand they like.  They don't go into the store to buy water, yeast, flour, and any other ingredients they might need. + #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-25 11:06:45) + I agree with the requester .... YaST is not very accessible to newer + users or just looking for another package browsing the repository for + new software. + The presentation of the packages need more appealing style and be more + polished. A clear structure would also help. + Additional information, screenshots etc. could be provided along with + the package description. We could provide information taken from + opendesktop.org or if existend wikipedia / sourceforge etc. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310379

Feature changed by: Rémy Marquis (Spyhawk) Feature #310379, revision 7 Title: SUSE Application Center openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) Description: Ubuntu 9.10 had one great new feature in it: the Ubuntu Software Center. It's radically dumped down, clean and uncluttered version of Synaptic. See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter)  for throughout description. It is not intended to replace Synaptic, but to make installing software more accessible. This is definitely something openSUSE needs. YaST is even more powerful than Synaptic, but it's also more cluttered (at least in KDE). Thus, the demand for clearly presented centralized software installation and removal is also larger. I'm proposing, that we bluntly copy Ubuntu Software Center principles and create a native Qt interface for KDE.  We might even go further, and give it even sharper "app store" look & feel by making it to present graphical applications only. More advanced users could use YaST or zypp like nothing happened. Use Case: Case 1: New user wants to install Kdenlive. Search in YaST provides plethora of packages, including libraries & debug items. Confusing. Search in Application Center produces only one result. Case 2: advanced user wants to take a glimpse what's available for his new desktop after installation. Application Center presents only graphical applications, offering quick method to do that. Discussion: #1: Tom Zöhner (zoehneto) (2010-08-20 18:01:20) Yast is, in my opinion, much easier to use then Synaptik, so i think it would be wrong to default to a "Ubuntu Software Center" type thing (it needs to be the default, otherwise its not easy) which is in no way Power full and doesn't make sense since for example "add/remove Repositorys" isn't made simple. For these reasons I suggest we don't integrate a "Package management for idiots" solution and instead (if it really is cluttered, which i don't think it is) fix Yast.   #2: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-08-20 18:06:00) (reply to #1) I think you missed the point.  The comparison to Synaptic was a bad one in my mind.  I view the Ubuntu Software Center more like shopping.  Most people go into the store to buy bread.  To a certain extent they don't care what's in the bread, just that its bread and its the brand they like.  They don't go into the store to buy water, yeast, flour, and any other ingredients they might need. #4: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-25 23:55:13) (reply to #1) Like Stephen said, you missed the point here. a) YaST and Software Center can, would and should coexist, neither would be default interfaces. zypper is the only default interface for software management, while YaST and Software Center are its graphical extensions. b) I'm suggesting that we copy Ubuntu Software Center principles, not that it's a carbon copy. c) Software Center is not "package management for idiots". It should be a centralized place where you go to download an application, while zypper or YaST will provide package management, where you can download debug, libary, source, meta, or binary packages individually if you please so. Trying to simplify YaST is not an option IMO, for it's tremendously powerful for those who know what they want (at least in comparison to Synaptic). Thus playing copy cat would be better option. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-25 11:06:45) I agree with the requester .... YaST is not very accessible to newer users or just looking for another package browsing the repository for new software. The presentation of the packages need more appealing style and be more polished. A clear structure would also help. Additional information, screenshots etc. could be provided along with the package description. We could provide information taken from opendesktop.org or if existend wikipedia / sourceforge etc. + #5: Rémy Marquis (spyhawk) (2010-09-03 16:44:20) + The openSUSE Software Portal should fullfil this need. We could imagine + an app client in addition to the web interface. See + http://software.opensuse-community.org/web/ and + http://old-en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310379

Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #310379, revision 9 Title: SUSE Application Center openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Johan Raul (daedaluz) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Ubuntu 9.10 had one great new feature in it: the Ubuntu Software Center. It's radically dumped down, clean and uncluttered version of Synaptic. See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter)  for throughout description. It is not intended to replace Synaptic, but to make installing software more accessible. This is definitely something openSUSE needs. YaST is even more powerful than Synaptic, but it's also more cluttered (at least in KDE). Thus, the demand for clearly presented centralized software installation and removal is also larger. I'm proposing, that we bluntly copy Ubuntu Software Center principles and create a native Qt interface for KDE.  We might even go further, and give it even sharper "app store" look & feel by making it to present graphical applications only. More advanced users could use YaST or zypp like nothing happened. Use Case: Case 1: New user wants to install Kdenlive. Search in YaST provides plethora of packages, including libraries & debug items. Confusing. Search in Application Center produces only one result. Case 2: advanced user wants to take a glimpse what's available for his new desktop after installation. Application Center presents only graphical applications, offering quick method to do that. Discussion: #1: Tom Zöhner (zoehneto) (2010-08-20 18:01:20) Yast is, in my opinion, much easier to use then Synaptik, so i think it would be wrong to default to a "Ubuntu Software Center" type thing (it needs to be the default, otherwise its not easy) which is in no way Power full and doesn't make sense since for example "add/remove Repositorys" isn't made simple. For these reasons I suggest we don't integrate a "Package management for idiots" solution and instead (if it really is cluttered, which i don't think it is) fix Yast.   #2: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-08-20 18:06:00) (reply to #1) I think you missed the point.  The comparison to Synaptic was a bad one in my mind.  I view the Ubuntu Software Center more like shopping.  Most people go into the store to buy bread.  To a certain extent they don't care what's in the bread, just that its bread and its the brand they like.  They don't go into the store to buy water, yeast, flour, and any other ingredients they might need. #4: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-25 23:55:13) (reply to #1) Like Stephen said, you missed the point here. a) YaST and Software Center can, would and should coexist, neither would be default interfaces. zypper is the only default interface for software management, while YaST and Software Center are its graphical extensions. b) I'm suggesting that we copy Ubuntu Software Center principles, not that it's a carbon copy. c) Software Center is not "package management for idiots". It should be a centralized place where you go to download an application, while zypper or YaST will provide package management, where you can download debug, libary, source, meta, or binary packages individually if you please so. Trying to simplify YaST is not an option IMO, for it's tremendously powerful for those who know what they want (at least in comparison to Synaptic). Thus playing copy cat would be better option. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-25 11:06:45) I agree with the requester .... YaST is not very accessible to newer users or just looking for another package browsing the repository for new software. The presentation of the packages need more appealing style and be more polished. A clear structure would also help. Additional information, screenshots etc. could be provided along with the package description. We could provide information taken from opendesktop.org or if existend wikipedia / sourceforge etc. #5: Rémy Marquis (spyhawk) (2010-09-03 16:44:20) The openSUSE Software Portal should fullfil this need. We could imagine an app client in addition to the web interface. See http://software.opensuse-community.org/web/ and http://old-en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal #6: Will Stephenson (wstephenson) (2010-12-16 16:07:53) Being worked on as part of Project Brezn. See news.opensuse.org. + #7: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2010-12-16 18:23:08) + duplicate: + https://features.opensuse.org/310778 -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310379

Feature changed by: Sebastian Wagner (sebix) Feature #310379, revision 11 Title: SUSE Application Center openSUSE-11.4: Duplicate of #310778 - Master status: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Johan Raul (daedaluz) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Ubuntu 9.10 had one great new feature in it: the Ubuntu Software Center. It's radically dumped down, clean and uncluttered version of Synaptic. See  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter)  for throughout description. It is not intended to replace Synaptic, but to make installing software more accessible. This is definitely something openSUSE needs. YaST is even more powerful than Synaptic, but it's also more cluttered (at least in KDE). Thus, the demand for clearly presented centralized software installation and removal is also larger. I'm proposing, that we bluntly copy Ubuntu Software Center principles and create a native Qt interface for KDE.  We might even go further, and give it even sharper "app store" look & feel by making it to present graphical applications only. More advanced users could use YaST or zypp like nothing happened. Relations: - (feature/duplicate: 310778) Use Case: Case 1: New user wants to install Kdenlive. Search in YaST provides plethora of packages, including libraries & debug items. Confusing. Search in Application Center produces only one result. Case 2: advanced user wants to take a glimpse what's available for his new desktop after installation. Application Center presents only graphical applications, offering quick method to do that. Discussion: #1: Tom Zöhner (zoehneto) (2010-08-20 18:01:20) Yast is, in my opinion, much easier to use then Synaptik, so i think it would be wrong to default to a "Ubuntu Software Center" type thing (it needs to be the default, otherwise its not easy) which is in no way Power full and doesn't make sense since for example "add/remove Repositorys" isn't made simple. For these reasons I suggest we don't integrate a "Package management for idiots" solution and instead (if it really is cluttered, which i don't think it is) fix Yast.   #2: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-08-20 18:06:00) (reply to #1) I think you missed the point.  The comparison to Synaptic was a bad one in my mind.  I view the Ubuntu Software Center more like shopping.  Most people go into the store to buy bread.  To a certain extent they don't care what's in the bread, just that its bread and its the brand they like.  They don't go into the store to buy water, yeast, flour, and any other ingredients they might need. #4: Otso Rajala (daedaluz) (2010-08-25 23:55:13) (reply to #1) Like Stephen said, you missed the point here. a) YaST and Software Center can, would and should coexist, neither would be default interfaces. zypper is the only default interface for software management, while YaST and Software Center are its graphical extensions. b) I'm suggesting that we copy Ubuntu Software Center principles, not that it's a carbon copy. c) Software Center is not "package management for idiots". It should be a centralized place where you go to download an application, while zypper or YaST will provide package management, where you can download debug, libary, source, meta, or binary packages individually if you please so. Trying to simplify YaST is not an option IMO, for it's tremendously powerful for those who know what they want (at least in comparison to Synaptic). Thus playing copy cat would be better option. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-25 11:06:45) I agree with the requester .... YaST is not very accessible to newer users or just looking for another package browsing the repository for new software. The presentation of the packages need more appealing style and be more polished. A clear structure would also help. Additional information, screenshots etc. could be provided along with the package description. We could provide information taken from opendesktop.org or if existend wikipedia / sourceforge etc. #5: Rémy Marquis (spyhawk) (2010-09-03 16:44:20) The openSUSE Software Portal should fullfil this need. We could imagine an app client in addition to the web interface. See http://software.opensuse-community.org/web/ and http://old-en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal #6: Will Stephenson (wstephenson) (2010-12-16 16:07:53) Being worked on as part of Project Brezn. See news.opensuse.org. #7: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2010-12-16 18:23:08) duplicate: https://features.opensuse.org/310778 -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310379