[New: openFATE 308935] Video Driver Protection
Feature added by: Wilson Phillips (Wilson_Phillips) Feature #308935, revision 1 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Jonathan Rocker (Jonathan_R) Feature #308935, revision 2 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. + Discussion: + #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) + Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for + newbies. I second this feature request. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Ken Yap (ken_yap) Feature #308935, revision 4 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. + #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) + +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when + their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Wilson Phillips (Wilson_Phillips) Feature #308935, revision 5 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. + + + http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... + http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... + http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html + Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #308935, revision 6 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. + #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) + If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a + nice start. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #308935, revision 8 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. + #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) + Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not + available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #308935, revision 9 Title: Video Driver Protection + Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #308935, revision 10 Title: Video Driver Protection Hackweek V: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important + openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Sławomir Lach (Lachu) Feature #308935, revision 11 Title: Video Driver Protection Hackweek V: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. + #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-08-27 12:51:17) + Someone from Redhat develops tool called wayland. This tool would + communicate with graphics driver. That means, if wayland/graphics + driver fails, X server can run new wayland session and connect to it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #308935, revision 13 Title: Video Driver Protection - Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2010-11-08 16:50:32 + reject reason: Not done for 11.3. Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed - Priority - Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. - - http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html - Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-08-27 12:51:17) Someone from Redhat develops tool called wayland. This tool would communicate with graphics driver. That means, if wayland/graphics driver fails, X server can run new wayland session and connect to it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #308935, revision 14 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject date: 2010-11-08 16:50:32 reject reason: Not done for 11.3. Priority Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-08-27 12:51:17) Someone from Redhat develops tool called wayland. This tool would communicate with graphics driver. That means, if wayland/graphics driver fails, X server can run new wayland session and connect to it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
Feature changed by: Sławomir Lach (Lachu) Feature #308935, revision 15 Title: Video Driver Protection openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject date: 2010-11-08 16:50:32 reject reason: Not done for 11.3. Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.4: New Priority Requester: Mandatory Requested by: Wilson Phillips (wilson_phillips) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Give a way for a failed proprietary video driver to fail back to the open source driver, This would not leave a surprised newbie staring at the command prompt and wondering what just happened to his system. We old techs can easily work around this problem and we have done so for years, but newbies can do a fresh install and as soon as they do their updates, they get a new kernel and it breaks their video. How many new users have we lost over the years becasue of this problem. We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432421-i-accidentally-updated-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432378-updated-new-kernel-now-... http://forums.opensuse.org/install-boot-login/432017-serious-problem.html Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: We need to change the way we think about these small issues and how they affect the new users. This needs to be a priority. Discussion: #1: Jonathan Rocker (jonathan_r) (2010-02-03 04:14:23) Having a fall back for when driver updates fail is critical for newbies. I second this feature request. #2: Ken Yap (ken_yap) (2010-02-04 14:57:03) +1 We risk losing new users and creating ill-will against openSUSE when their installation breaks through no fault of theirs. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-02-06 14:39:14) If one could specify Driver "nvidia,nv" in xorg.conf, that would be a nice start. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2010-06-24 12:42:49) (reply to #3) Considered to be done in 11.3. If /usr/lib/xorg/.../fglrx is not available, it will pick the next one in line, i.e. radeon. #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-08-27 12:51:17) Someone from Redhat develops tool called wayland. This tool would communicate with graphics driver. That means, if wayland/graphics driver fails, X server can run new wayland session and connect to it. + #6: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-18 13:39:02) + Old kernels(witohut KMS) have to restart video card(and video driver), + when you switch from X console to normal console. I think, that we + could use this old mechanism with some watchdog on graphic driver to + achieve this. I don't know if it could broke user space + applications.... I think, that's not possible, because we was using + this mechanism for very long period of time. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/308935
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