Feature changed by: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) Feature #311014, revision 3 Title: Create a wow effect for the openSUSE 12 (2012) openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jean-Daniel Dodin (jdd) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Next openSUSE will be 11.4. How can we have a really good reason to go to *12* and not 11.5 there after. We have to create something specially related to openSUSE (not GNOME, not Kde...). One thing or several, something that makes people say "wow!!" this could be, for example, among other things: * give the boxed version on a blu-ray disk * offer a blu-ray (24Gb) image as download * give the boxed version on a 24Gb USB flash drive * give the choice at boot (of the install support) to ** install on the hard drive ** install on a flash USB drive ** launch live from install support ** launch live from ram (and remove install support) ** install to a remote server, for example a cloud * drop the lizar and take a red dragon :-) ... Please add yours ideas :-) thanks jdd + Discussion: + #1: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-23 12:54:39) + This comes down a lot to personal taste. Not meaning to be dismissive, + but none of your proposed features would make me go 'Wow'! I recall the + 9.3 and 10.3 distro releases had a lot of wow factor for me personally, + yet I read reviews at the time that were critical of them being only a + minor upgrade. Anyway, the version numbering has always been something + of a red herring especially with SUSE, where it has traditionally often + been guided by enterprise release schedules. The amount of changes and + new features being crammed into the upcoming 11.4 makes me believe this + will be one of the biggest - if not THE biggest - step up between SUSE + releases in many years, but I can guarantee the usual flood of lazy web + reviews and blogs which will take the version number as the key + differentiator and assume this to be nothing more than a point release. + As for the future numbering, I believe there's a separate discussion + about that somewhere and I don't know the latest decision, but I think + 2011 presents a great opportunity to consolidate the numbering by + jumping to 11.11 for the November release, and then 12.7 for the + subsequent July 2012 edition. This would bring openSUSE in line with + many other products' and distros' year-based numbering schemes yet + preserve backwards/forwards compatibility which I know has been stated + as a prerequisite of any new system. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/311014

Feature changed by: Sławomir Lach (Lachu) Feature #311014, revision 5 Title: Create a wow effect for the openSUSE 12 (2012) openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jean-Daniel Dodin (jdd) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Next openSUSE will be 11.4. How can we have a really good reason to go to *12* and not 11.5 there after. We have to create something specially related to openSUSE (not GNOME, not Kde...). One thing or several, something that makes people say "wow!!" this could be, for example, among other things: * give the boxed version on a blu-ray disk * offer a blu-ray (24Gb) image as download * give the boxed version on a 24Gb USB flash drive * give the choice at boot (of the install support) to ** install on the hard drive ** install on a flash USB drive ** launch live from install support ** launch live from ram (and remove install support) ** install to a remote server, for example a cloud * drop the lizar and take a red dragon :-) ... Please add yours ideas :-) thanks jdd Discussion: #1: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-23 12:54:39) This comes down a lot to personal taste. Not meaning to be dismissive, but none of your proposed features would make me go 'Wow'! I recall the 9.3 and 10.3 distro releases had a lot of wow factor for me personally, yet I read reviews at the time that were critical of them being only a minor upgrade. Anyway, the version numbering has always been something of a red herring especially with SUSE, where it has traditionally often been guided by enterprise release schedules. The amount of changes and new features being crammed into the upcoming 11.4 makes me believe this will be one of the biggest - if not THE biggest - step up between SUSE releases in many years, but I can guarantee the usual flood of lazy web reviews and blogs which will take the version number as the key differentiator and assume this to be nothing more than a point release. As for the future numbering, I believe there's a separate discussion about that somewhere and I don't know the latest decision, but I think 2011 presents a great opportunity to consolidate the numbering by jumping to 11.11 for the November release, and then 12.7 for the subsequent July 2012 edition. This would bring openSUSE in line with many other products' and distros' year-based numbering schemes yet preserve backwards/forwards compatibility which I know has been stated as a prerequisite of any new system. #2: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2010-12-23 15:13:04) See also for one of the proposed features openFATE #311011 Boot option "toram" on https://features.opensuse.org/311011 (311011) + #3: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:34:35) + I suggest to place more options for auto-repair. OpenSUSE 10.0 and some + older have on DVD releases option to repair existing system. On newest + version we don't have support for this. I think rather about + possibility to insert live CD into CD drive and select repair existing + system in Yast. It would check filesystems and allow us to check + dependences, etc. It could even copy wallet(GDE/GNOME) files, firmware + files to allow us to connect onto internet and do chroot via Yast to + software management. + Anyway - there must exist way to run chrooted environment to repair + system in easy way. Additional points if we could to run Yast. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/311014

Feature changed by: Sławomir Lach (Lachu) Feature #311014, revision 7 Title: Create a wow effect for the openSUSE 12 (2012) openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jean-Daniel Dodin (jdd) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Next openSUSE will be 11.4. How can we have a really good reason to go to *12* and not 11.5 there after. We have to create something specially related to openSUSE (not GNOME, not Kde...). One thing or several, something that makes people say "wow!!" this could be, for example, among other things: * give the boxed version on a blu-ray disk * offer a blu-ray (24Gb) image as download * give the boxed version on a 24Gb USB flash drive * give the choice at boot (of the install support) to ** install on the hard drive ** install on a flash USB drive ** launch live from install support ** launch live from ram (and remove install support) ** install to a remote server, for example a cloud * drop the lizar and take a red dragon :-) ... Please add yours ideas :-) thanks jdd Discussion: #1: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-23 12:54:39) This comes down a lot to personal taste. Not meaning to be dismissive, but none of your proposed features would make me go 'Wow'! I recall the 9.3 and 10.3 distro releases had a lot of wow factor for me personally, yet I read reviews at the time that were critical of them being only a minor upgrade. Anyway, the version numbering has always been something of a red herring especially with SUSE, where it has traditionally often been guided by enterprise release schedules. The amount of changes and new features being crammed into the upcoming 11.4 makes me believe this will be one of the biggest - if not THE biggest - step up between SUSE releases in many years, but I can guarantee the usual flood of lazy web reviews and blogs which will take the version number as the key differentiator and assume this to be nothing more than a point release. As for the future numbering, I believe there's a separate discussion about that somewhere and I don't know the latest decision, but I think 2011 presents a great opportunity to consolidate the numbering by jumping to 11.11 for the November release, and then 12.7 for the subsequent July 2012 edition. This would bring openSUSE in line with many other products' and distros' year-based numbering schemes yet preserve backwards/forwards compatibility which I know has been stated as a prerequisite of any new system. #2: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2010-12-23 15:13:04) See also for one of the proposed features openFATE #311011 Boot option "toram" on https://features.opensuse.org/311011 (311011) #3: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:34:35) I suggest to place more options for auto-repair. OpenSUSE 10.0 and some older have on DVD releases option to repair existing system. On newest version we don't have support for this. I think rather about possibility to insert live CD into CD drive and select repair existing system in Yast. It would check filesystems and allow us to check dependences, etc. It could even copy wallet(GDE/GNOME) files, firmware files to allow us to connect onto internet and do chroot via Yast to software management. Anyway - there must exist way to run chrooted environment to repair system in easy way. Additional points if we could to run Yast. #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:37:38) (reply to #3) For me repainring my system is time to run liveCD system and connect to internet. But many users prefer reinstall of existing system. I think that wow effect should be: my system is broken, because I order to install systemd without kernel supporting control groups and cancel all dependency warnings. Now i place LiveCD onto drive, click run Yast for existing system and fix it in few seconds. + #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:42:57) + Place movie showing well-configured desktop environment(like KDE4 SC) + on youtube. We could enable OpenSUSE with gesture support, Klipper + actions enabled, etc. We now showing this features and offer to select + on installation "enable KDE additional functionality for me" or just + place configuration files on the network. + Remember, that KDE environment is number one for OpenSUSE project, It's + default desktop and many polish was added by OpenSUSE team. It had + better UI for any other operating system/DE on PC platform. We should + promote it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/311014

Feature changed by: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) Feature #311014, revision 9 Title: Create a wow effect for the openSUSE 12 (2012) - openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed + openSUSE Distribution: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jean-Daniel Dodin (jdd) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Next openSUSE will be 11.4. How can we have a really good reason to go to *12* and not 11.5 there after. We have to create something specially related to openSUSE (not GNOME, not Kde...). One thing or several, something that makes people say "wow!!" this could be, for example, among other things: * give the boxed version on a blu-ray disk * offer a blu-ray (24Gb) image as download * give the boxed version on a 24Gb USB flash drive * give the choice at boot (of the install support) to ** install on the hard drive ** install on a flash USB drive ** launch live from install support ** launch live from ram (and remove install support) ** install to a remote server, for example a cloud * drop the lizar and take a red dragon :-) ... Please add yours ideas :-) thanks jdd Discussion: #1: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-23 12:54:39) This comes down a lot to personal taste. Not meaning to be dismissive, but none of your proposed features would make me go 'Wow'! I recall the 9.3 and 10.3 distro releases had a lot of wow factor for me personally, yet I read reviews at the time that were critical of them being only a minor upgrade. Anyway, the version numbering has always been something of a red herring especially with SUSE, where it has traditionally often been guided by enterprise release schedules. The amount of changes and new features being crammed into the upcoming 11.4 makes me believe this will be one of the biggest - if not THE biggest - step up between SUSE releases in many years, but I can guarantee the usual flood of lazy web reviews and blogs which will take the version number as the key differentiator and assume this to be nothing more than a point release. As for the future numbering, I believe there's a separate discussion about that somewhere and I don't know the latest decision, but I think 2011 presents a great opportunity to consolidate the numbering by jumping to 11.11 for the November release, and then 12.7 for the subsequent July 2012 edition. This would bring openSUSE in line with many other products' and distros' year-based numbering schemes yet preserve backwards/forwards compatibility which I know has been stated as a prerequisite of any new system. #2: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2010-12-23 15:13:04) See also for one of the proposed features openFATE #311011 Boot option "toram" on https://features.opensuse.org/311011 (311011) #3: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:34:35) I suggest to place more options for auto-repair. OpenSUSE 10.0 and some older have on DVD releases option to repair existing system. On newest version we don't have support for this. I think rather about possibility to insert live CD into CD drive and select repair existing system in Yast. It would check filesystems and allow us to check dependences, etc. It could even copy wallet(GDE/GNOME) files, firmware files to allow us to connect onto internet and do chroot via Yast to software management. Anyway - there must exist way to run chrooted environment to repair system in easy way. Additional points if we could to run Yast. #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:37:38) (reply to #3) For me repainring my system is time to run liveCD system and connect to internet. But many users prefer reinstall of existing system. I think that wow effect should be: my system is broken, because I order to install systemd without kernel supporting control groups and cancel all dependency warnings. Now i place LiveCD onto drive, click run Yast for existing system and fix it in few seconds. #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:42:57) Place movie showing well-configured desktop environment(like KDE4 SC) on youtube. We could enable OpenSUSE with gesture support, Klipper actions enabled, etc. We now showing this features and offer to select on installation "enable KDE additional functionality for me" or just place configuration files on the network. Remember, that KDE environment is number one for OpenSUSE project, It's default desktop and many polish was added by OpenSUSE team. It had better UI for any other operating system/DE on PC platform. We should promote it. #6: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:45:09) Add possibilities to load external languages from USB stick or another CD. Allow to load external languages from CD asking for it on system boot. User will only remove current (LiveCD) CD and insert additional language CD. Additional packages will be installed onto ramdisk and system asks to insert LiveCD again. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/311014

Feature changed by: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) Feature #311014, revision 11 Title: Create a wow effect for the openSUSE 12 (2012) openSUSE Distribution: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jean-Daniel Dodin (jdd) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Next openSUSE will be 11.4. How can we have a really good reason to go to *12* and not 11.5 there after. We have to create something specially related to openSUSE (not GNOME, not Kde...). One thing or several, something that makes people say "wow!!" this could be, for example, among other things: * give the boxed version on a blu-ray disk * offer a blu-ray (24Gb) image as download * give the boxed version on a 24Gb USB flash drive * give the choice at boot (of the install support) to ** install on the hard drive ** install on a flash USB drive ** launch live from install support ** launch live from ram (and remove install support) ** install to a remote server, for example a cloud * drop the lizar and take a red dragon :-) ... Please add yours ideas :-) thanks jdd Use Case: The only use case for this feature is to be a meta feature, collecting links to other features in openFATE that can be targeted at 12.0. If participants in discussion have no time to check what is proposed in other features, and link what is realistically achievable within a year, then it is better not to comment. Discussion: #1: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-23 12:54:39) This comes down a lot to personal taste. Not meaning to be dismissive, but none of your proposed features would make me go 'Wow'! I recall the 9.3 and 10.3 distro releases had a lot of wow factor for me personally, yet I read reviews at the time that were critical of them being only a minor upgrade. Anyway, the version numbering has always been something of a red herring especially with SUSE, where it has traditionally often been guided by enterprise release schedules. The amount of changes and new features being crammed into the upcoming 11.4 makes me believe this will be one of the biggest - if not THE biggest - step up between SUSE releases in many years, but I can guarantee the usual flood of lazy web reviews and blogs which will take the version number as the key differentiator and assume this to be nothing more than a point release. As for the future numbering, I believe there's a separate discussion about that somewhere and I don't know the latest decision, but I think 2011 presents a great opportunity to consolidate the numbering by jumping to 11.11 for the November release, and then 12.7 for the subsequent July 2012 edition. This would bring openSUSE in line with many other products' and distros' year-based numbering schemes yet preserve backwards/forwards compatibility which I know has been stated as a prerequisite of any new system. #2: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2010-12-23 15:13:04) See also for one of the proposed features openFATE #311011 Boot option "toram" on https://features.opensuse.org/311011 (311011) #3: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:34:35) I suggest to place more options for auto-repair. OpenSUSE 10.0 and some older have on DVD releases option to repair existing system. On newest version we don't have support for this. I think rather about possibility to insert live CD into CD drive and select repair existing system in Yast. It would check filesystems and allow us to check dependences, etc. It could even copy wallet(GDE/GNOME) files, firmware files to allow us to connect onto internet and do chroot via Yast to software management. Anyway - there must exist way to run chrooted environment to repair system in easy way. Additional points if we could to run Yast. #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:37:38) (reply to #3) For me repainring my system is time to run liveCD system and connect to internet. But many users prefer reinstall of existing system. I think that wow effect should be: my system is broken, because I order to install systemd without kernel supporting control groups and cancel all dependency warnings. Now i place LiveCD onto drive, click run Yast for existing system and fix it in few seconds. #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:42:57) Place movie showing well-configured desktop environment(like KDE4 SC) on youtube. We could enable OpenSUSE with gesture support, Klipper actions enabled, etc. We now showing this features and offer to select on installation "enable KDE additional functionality for me" or just place configuration files on the network. Remember, that KDE environment is number one for OpenSUSE project, It's default desktop and many polish was added by OpenSUSE team. It had better UI for any other operating system/DE on PC platform. We should promote it. #6: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:45:09) Add possibilities to load external languages from USB stick or another CD. Allow to load external languages from CD asking for it on system boot. User will only remove current (LiveCD) CD and insert additional language CD. Additional packages will be installed onto ramdisk and system asks to insert LiveCD again. + #7: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2010-12-23 20:42:32) + Feature status is changed to New, and added use case. Please link + features that you want to see and it is possible to achieve within a + year. Any feature in openFATE including this one can be rejected if it + is highly unlikely that it will be ever implemented. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/311014

Feature changed by: Richard Brown (RBrownSUSE) Feature #311014, revision 13 Title: Create a wow effect for the openSUSE 12 (2012) - openSUSE Distribution: New + openSUSE Distribution: Done Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jean-Daniel Dodin (jdd) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Next openSUSE will be 11.4. How can we have a really good reason to go to *12* and not 11.5 there after. We have to create something specially related to openSUSE (not GNOME, not Kde...). One thing or several, something that makes people say "wow!!" this could be, for example, among other things: * give the boxed version on a blu-ray disk * offer a blu-ray (24Gb) image as download * give the boxed version on a 24Gb USB flash drive * give the choice at boot (of the install support) to ** install on the hard drive ** install on a flash USB drive ** launch live from install support ** launch live from ram (and remove install support) ** install to a remote server, for example a cloud * drop the lizar and take a red dragon :-) ... Please add yours ideas :-) thanks jdd Use Case: The only use case for this feature is to be a meta feature, collecting links to other features in openFATE that can be targeted at 12.0. If participants in discussion have no time to check what is proposed in other features, and link what is realistically achievable within a year, then it is better not to comment. Discussion: #1: Peter Gumbrell (gumb) (2010-12-23 12:54:39) This comes down a lot to personal taste. Not meaning to be dismissive, but none of your proposed features would make me go 'Wow'! I recall the 9.3 and 10.3 distro releases had a lot of wow factor for me personally, yet I read reviews at the time that were critical of them being only a minor upgrade. Anyway, the version numbering has always been something of a red herring especially with SUSE, where it has traditionally often been guided by enterprise release schedules. The amount of changes and new features being crammed into the upcoming 11.4 makes me believe this will be one of the biggest - if not THE biggest - step up between SUSE releases in many years, but I can guarantee the usual flood of lazy web reviews and blogs which will take the version number as the key differentiator and assume this to be nothing more than a point release. As for the future numbering, I believe there's a separate discussion about that somewhere and I don't know the latest decision, but I think 2011 presents a great opportunity to consolidate the numbering by jumping to 11.11 for the November release, and then 12.7 for the subsequent July 2012 edition. This would bring openSUSE in line with many other products' and distros' year-based numbering schemes yet preserve backwards/forwards compatibility which I know has been stated as a prerequisite of any new system. #2: Martin Seidler (pistazienfresser) (2010-12-23 15:13:04) See also for one of the proposed features openFATE #311011 Boot option "toram" on https://features.opensuse.org/311011 (311011) #3: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:34:35) I suggest to place more options for auto-repair. OpenSUSE 10.0 and some older have on DVD releases option to repair existing system. On newest version we don't have support for this. I think rather about possibility to insert live CD into CD drive and select repair existing system in Yast. It would check filesystems and allow us to check dependences, etc. It could even copy wallet(GDE/GNOME) files, firmware files to allow us to connect onto internet and do chroot via Yast to software management. Anyway - there must exist way to run chrooted environment to repair system in easy way. Additional points if we could to run Yast. #4: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:37:38) (reply to #3) For me repainring my system is time to run liveCD system and connect to internet. But many users prefer reinstall of existing system. I think that wow effect should be: my system is broken, because I order to install systemd without kernel supporting control groups and cancel all dependency warnings. Now i place LiveCD onto drive, click run Yast for existing system and fix it in few seconds. #5: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:42:57) Place movie showing well-configured desktop environment(like KDE4 SC) on youtube. We could enable OpenSUSE with gesture support, Klipper actions enabled, etc. We now showing this features and offer to select on installation "enable KDE additional functionality for me" or just place configuration files on the network. Remember, that KDE environment is number one for OpenSUSE project, It's default desktop and many polish was added by OpenSUSE team. It had better UI for any other operating system/DE on PC platform. We should promote it. #6: Sławomir Lach (lachu) (2010-12-23 15:45:09) Add possibilities to load external languages from USB stick or another CD. Allow to load external languages from CD asking for it on system boot. User will only remove current (LiveCD) CD and insert additional language CD. Additional packages will be installed onto ramdisk and system asks to insert LiveCD again. #7: Rajko Matovic (rajko_m) (2010-12-23 20:42:32) Feature status is changed to New, and added use case. Please link features that you want to see and it is possible to achieve within a year. Any feature in openFATE including this one can be rejected if it is highly unlikely that it will be ever implemented. #8: Markus K (kamikazow) (2011-01-02 04:09:47) openSUSE 12.0 will probably feature GNOME 3.1 and Unity. Isn't that enough? How to handle boxed versions is the responsibility of Open-SLX (the retail openSUSE distributor). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/311014