[openFate 305249] Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1
Feature added by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 1, last change by Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
Feature changed by: Holger Dyroff <hd@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 2 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important + SLED-12: New + Priority + Requester: Important + SLES-12: New + Priority + Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
Feature changed by: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 3 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. + Discussion: + #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) + Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok + from his side. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 4 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. + #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:30:54) + Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only + discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
Feature changed by: Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 5 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? + #3: Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to + #2) + > As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile + Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the + Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render + much worse because they don’t have good byte code. + (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better + in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t + aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier + New). + > I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source + > fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. + I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only + 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between + the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: + Liberation Agfa Microsoft + Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial + Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman + Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New + Bell MT + Andy MT + Utah MT + Andale Sans Trebuchet MS + Impact + Arial Black Arial Black + Monotype Sorts Webdings + Andale Mono + Comic Sans MS + Georgia + Tahoma + Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to + “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. + “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but + “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif + fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” + and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document + (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document + would look very different in style. + I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most + people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t + think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Guy Lunardi <glunardi@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 7 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. + #5: Guy Lunardi <glunardi@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to + #3) + Looks like my email to Michael :-) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 9 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation Priority Requester: Important SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi <glunardi@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) + #8: JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> (2008-08-19 14:52:35) + I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation + vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with + at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", + "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> Feature #305249, revision 10 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 - openSUSE-11.1: Evaluation + openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important + Projectmanager: Mandatory SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi <glunardi@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" + #9: Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> (2008-09-11 16:00:48) + Done for openSUSE 11.1 -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Arseniy Lartsev <receive-spam@yandex.ru> Feature #305249, revision 11 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory SLED-12: New Priority Requester: Important SLES-12: New Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Michael Loeffler <michl@novell.com> Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell <cfarrell@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian <mfabian@novell.com> (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi <glunardi@novell.com> (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel <cthiel@novell.com> (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 + #10: Arseniy Lartsev <receive-spam@yandex.ru> (2008-11-06 15:13:26) + Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT + (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Karsten König (remur) Feature #305249, revision 12 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Loeffler (sprudel24) Interested: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) Interested: Holger Dyroff (escubar) Interested: JP Rosevear (jproseve) + Interested: Karsten König (remur) Interested: Michael Meeks (michael_meeks) Interested: Radek Doulik (radekdoulik) Interested: Stephan Kulow (coolo) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/?rm=feature_show&id=305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) Feature #305249, revision 23 Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). + #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) + Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning + dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for + the contract. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Jan Weber (japa83) Feature #305249, revision 29 - Title: Remove agfa-fonts from openSUSE 11.1 + Title: Remove agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) Feature #305249, revision 35 Title: Remove agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) - Developer: fanjun kong (fjkong) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Antoine Ginies (aginies) Feature #305249, revision 36 Title: Remove agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. + Documentation Impact: + RN Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Frank Sundermeyer (fsundermeyer) Feature #305249, revision 38 Title: Remove agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. Documentation Impact: RN + Note: + Requires to use the new stylesheets for building PDFs of the official + SUSE documentation (the old stylesheets (used for LE 11) require agfa- + fonts) Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) Feature #305249, revision 42 Title: Remove agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. + References: + Packages:-agfa-fonts,+google-carlito-fonts,+google-caladea-fonts, + +google-symbolneu-fonts Documentation Impact: RN Note: Requires to use the new stylesheets for building PDFs of the official SUSE documentation (the old stylesheets (used for LE 11) require agfa- fonts) Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif - fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace “Cumberland AMT” + fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace ���Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) Feature #305249, revision 43 - Title: Remove agfa-fonts + Title: Replace agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. References: Packages:-agfa-fonts,+google-carlito-fonts,+google-caladea-fonts, +google-symbolneu-fonts Documentation Impact: RN Note: Requires to use the new stylesheets for building PDFs of the official SUSE documentation (the old stylesheets (used for LE 11) require agfa- fonts) Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace ���Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. + #27: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-12-06 13:10:11) + I've adjusted the title as there are alternatives which will/can be + used. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile Here I disagree, they are OK but really cannot compare neither to the Agfa fonts nor to the Microsoft Webfonts. The Liberation fonts render much worse because they don’t have good byte code. (They also render much worse than the DejaVu fonts which are far better in my opinion than the Liberation fonts. But the DejaVu fonts don’t aim to be metric compatible to Arial, Times New Roman, and Courier New). I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. I just want to add some information. The Liberation fonts contain only 3 styles and the Agfa fonts have some more. The closes matches between
Feature changed by: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) Feature #305249, revision 48 Title: Replace agfa-fonts openSUSE-11.1: Done Priority Requester: Important Projectmanager: Mandatory Requested by: Michael Löffler (michl19) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As Liberation fonts looking really good meanwhile I propose to replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source fonts for openSUSE 11.1 and future versions. References: Packages:-agfa-fonts,+google-carlito-fonts,+google-caladea-fonts, +google-symbolneu-fonts Documentation Impact: - RN Note: Requires to use the new stylesheets for building PDFs of the official SUSE documentation (the old stylesheets (used for LE 11) require agfa- fonts) Discussion: #1: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2008-08-19 09:07:09) Sent a heads-up to Denzil Harris, wrt the Agfa contract. Everything ok from his side. #2: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2008-08-19 09:30:54) Just one clarification: agfa fonts should stay on SLED11, we're only discussing openSUSE 11.1. Correct? #3: Mike Fabian (mfabian) (2008-08-19 12:05:18) (reply to #2) the Liberation, the Agfa, and the Microsoft web fonts are: Liberation Agfa Microsoft Liberation Sans Albany AMT Arial Liberation Serif Thorndale AMT Times New Roman Liberation Mono Cumberland AMT Courier New Bell MT Andy MT Utah MT Andale Sans Trebuchet MS Impact Arial Black Arial Black Monotype Sorts Webdings Andale Mono Comic Sans MS Georgia Tahoma Not that although “Liberation Mono” claims to be metric compatible to “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New”, it looks visually very different. “Liberation Mono” is a sans serif font (like “Andale Mono”) but “Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” are both typewriter like serif fonts. I.e. “Liberation Mono” may be able to replace ���Cumberland AMT” and “Courier New” without changing the formatting of a document (although even that won’t always work) but certainly the document would look very different in style. I agree thouth that probably nobody really needs the Agfa fonts, most people seem to download the Microsoft webfonts anyway. So I don’t think we do not need to keep the Agfa fonts. #5: Guy Lunardi (glunardi) (2008-08-19 09:20:05) (reply to #3) Looks like my email to Michael :-) #8: JP Rosevear (jproseve) (2008-08-19 14:52:35) I think this is basically fate #304544. Radek analyzed the liberation vs agfa situation in May 2007 for OO and found defencies as well, with at least "Comic sans MS", "MS Gothic", "Arial black", "Bell MT", "Impact", "Monotype sorts" and "Utal MH" #9: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) (2008-09-11 16:00:48) Done for openSUSE 11.1 #10: Arseniy Lartsev (ars3niy) (2008-11-06 15:13:26) Bad idea. Liberation Sans looks TERRIBLE in comparison to Albany AMT (at least in 11.1 Beta 4). #16: Ciaran Farrell (babelworx) (2012-06-29 10:37:50) Please remember to involve Denzil Harris in any discussions concerning dropping agfa-fonts. He's the Corporate Development Group contact for the contract. #27: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-12-06 13:10:11) I've adjusted the title as there are alternatives which will/can be used. + #32: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) (2014-07-22 10:17:09) (reply to #31) + Removing RN flag, no need to detail those fonts change -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305249
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