Feature changed by: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) Feature #315061, revision 4 Title: improve YaST installer to allow patterns and packages from network openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Tomas Cech (sleep_walker) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As you probably already noticed, I'm fighting to get E17 as desktop choice in YaST2 installer. To get E17 choice in installer I need to have pattern and packages present on medium which is already more than full. I proposed replacing LXDE with E17, but there are still users who wants to keep it on medium and I agree, that this shouldn't be the way to fix it. Proper fix I believe is patch YaST2 installer to offer packages and pattern from default repository in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ if the network is up. Having checkbox 'Enable network repositories' during installation workflow would make this behavior optional and selected by default if the server is reachable. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I also received feedback from MATE maintainer, who would welcome such option as well and I believe there are others too. This is artificial limitation which should have been removed long time ago. Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2013-05-20 10:35:02) I like the idea of a checkbox with 'Enable network repositories', but I don't think it should be enabled by default, regardless of whether the network is available or not. There are still many users limited by bandwidth, we should not impose on them. + #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2013-05-20 10:54:46) (reply to #1) + YaST could clearly indicate that such patterns would require to + download some packages, it could even show how much that would be for a + default installation of that pattern. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/315061

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) Feature #315061, revision 7 Title: improve YaST installer to allow patterns and packages from network openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Tomas Cech (sleep_walker) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As you probably already noticed, I'm fighting to get E17 as desktop choice in YaST2 installer. To get E17 choice in installer I need to have pattern and packages present on medium which is already more than full. I proposed replacing LXDE with E17, but there are still users who wants to keep it on medium and I agree, that this shouldn't be the way to fix it. Proper fix I believe is patch YaST2 installer to offer packages and pattern from default repository in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ if the network is up. Having checkbox 'Enable network repositories' during installation workflow would make this behavior optional and selected by default if the server is reachable. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I also received feedback from MATE maintainer, who would welcome such option as well and I believe there are others too. This is artificial limitation which should have been removed long time ago. Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2013-05-20 10:35:02) I like the idea of a checkbox with 'Enable network repositories', but I don't think it should be enabled by default, regardless of whether the network is available or not. There are still many users limited by bandwidth, we should not impose on them. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2013-05-20 10:54:46) (reply to #1) YaST could clearly indicate that such patterns would require to download some packages, it could even show how much that would be for a default installation of that pattern. #3: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-21 11:12:37) Network based options could be shown only if network was already configured before. Thus we do not have to introduce another "Enable" checkbox. + #4: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:28:44) + Ehm, we actually already have the required checkbox. It has label "Add + Online Repositories Before Installation" and is shown in one of the + first steps of installation (where you choose installation or update). + But: the checkbox is hidden by default, I do not know why. To enable + it, boot DVD with 'startshell=1', once you see shell, edit /control.xml + and change the value of show_online_repositories to true. + Than write 'exit' end installation will start. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/315061

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) Feature #315061, revision 9 Title: improve YaST installer to allow patterns and packages from network openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Tomas Cech (sleep_walker) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As you probably already noticed, I'm fighting to get E17 as desktop choice in YaST2 installer. To get E17 choice in installer I need to have pattern and packages present on medium which is already more than full. I proposed replacing LXDE with E17, but there are still users who wants to keep it on medium and I agree, that this shouldn't be the way to fix it. Proper fix I believe is patch YaST2 installer to offer packages and pattern from default repository in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ if the network is up. Having checkbox 'Enable network repositories' during installation workflow would make this behavior optional and selected by default if the server is reachable. + Relations: Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I also received feedback from MATE maintainer, who would welcome such option as well and I believe there are others too. This is artificial limitation which should have been removed long time ago. Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2013-05-20 10:35:02) I like the idea of a checkbox with 'Enable network repositories', but I don't think it should be enabled by default, regardless of whether the network is available or not. There are still many users limited by bandwidth, we should not impose on them. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2013-05-20 10:54:46) (reply to #1) YaST could clearly indicate that such patterns would require to download some packages, it could even show how much that would be for a default installation of that pattern. #3: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-21 11:12:37) Network based options could be shown only if network was already configured before. Thus we do not have to introduce another "Enable" checkbox. #4: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:28:44) Ehm, we actually already have the required checkbox. It has label "Add Online Repositories Before Installation" and is shown in one of the first steps of installation (where you choose installation or update). But: the checkbox is hidden by default, I do not know why. To enable it, boot DVD with 'startshell=1', once you see shell, edit /control.xml and change the value of show_online_repositories to true. Than write 'exit' end installation will start. #5: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:35:20) (reply to #4) I think we should talk about changing default value of show_online_repositories. I see no reason for that to be hidden by default. (One possible issue is that adding online repositories during installation requires more memory and not all users can afford it. But it would be optional, anyway) + #6: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 09:54:40) + Added attachment Checkbox for online repositories (inst_mode_online. + png) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/315061

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) Feature #315061, revision 11 Title: improve YaST installer to allow patterns and packages from network openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Tomas Cech (sleep_walker) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As you probably already noticed, I'm fighting to get E17 as desktop choice in YaST2 installer. To get E17 choice in installer I need to have pattern and packages present on medium which is already more than full. I proposed replacing LXDE with E17, but there are still users who wants to keep it on medium and I agree, that this shouldn't be the way to fix it. Proper fix I believe is patch YaST2 installer to offer packages and pattern from default repository in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ if the network is up. Having checkbox 'Enable network repositories' during installation workflow would make this behavior optional and selected by default if the server is reachable. Relations: Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I also received feedback from MATE maintainer, who would welcome such option as well and I believe there are others too. This is artificial limitation which should have been removed long time ago. Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2013-05-20 10:35:02) I like the idea of a checkbox with 'Enable network repositories', but I don't think it should be enabled by default, regardless of whether the network is available or not. There are still many users limited by bandwidth, we should not impose on them. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2013-05-20 10:54:46) (reply to #1) YaST could clearly indicate that such patterns would require to download some packages, it could even show how much that would be for a default installation of that pattern. #3: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-21 11:12:37) Network based options could be shown only if network was already configured before. Thus we do not have to introduce another "Enable" checkbox. #4: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:28:44) Ehm, we actually already have the required checkbox. It has label "Add Online Repositories Before Installation" and is shown in one of the first steps of installation (where you choose installation or update). But: the checkbox is hidden by default, I do not know why. To enable it, boot DVD with 'startshell=1', once you see shell, edit /control.xml and change the value of show_online_repositories to true. Than write 'exit' end installation will start. #5: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:35:20) (reply to #4) I think we should talk about changing default value of show_online_repositories. I see no reason for that to be hidden by default. (One possible issue is that adding online repositories during installation requires more memory and not all users can afford it. But it would be optional, anyway) #6: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 09:54:40) Added attachment Checkbox for online repositories (inst_mode_online. png) #7: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 09:58:20) Added attachment offering e17 among the desktops (inst_desktop_e17. png) + #8: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 10:01:15) + I've added two screenshots of updated installation workflow. Both + actions can be achieved by simple editing control.xml. + Coolo, is there a reason why the "Online Repositories During Install" + checkbox should be hidded in openSUSE (current situation)? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/315061

Feature changed by: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) Feature #315061, revision 13 Title: improve YaST installer to allow patterns and packages from network - openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed + openSUSE Distribution: Done Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Tomas Cech (sleep_walker) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: As you probably already noticed, I'm fighting to get E17 as desktop choice in YaST2 installer. To get E17 choice in installer I need to have pattern and packages present on medium which is already more than full. I proposed replacing LXDE with E17, but there are still users who wants to keep it on medium and I agree, that this shouldn't be the way to fix it. Proper fix I believe is patch YaST2 installer to offer packages and pattern from default repository in http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/ if the network is up. Having checkbox 'Enable network repositories' during installation workflow would make this behavior optional and selected by default if the server is reachable. Relations: Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: I also received feedback from MATE maintainer, who would welcome such option as well and I believe there are others too. This is artificial limitation which should have been removed long time ago. Discussion: #1: Per Jessen (pjessen) (2013-05-20 10:35:02) I like the idea of a checkbox with 'Enable network repositories', but I don't think it should be enabled by default, regardless of whether the network is available or not. There are still many users limited by bandwidth, we should not impose on them. #2: Christoph Obexer (cobexer) (2013-05-20 10:54:46) (reply to #1) YaST could clearly indicate that such patterns would require to download some packages, it could even show how much that would be for a default installation of that pattern. #3: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-21 11:12:37) Network based options could be shown only if network was already configured before. Thus we do not have to introduce another "Enable" checkbox. #4: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:28:44) Ehm, we actually already have the required checkbox. It has label "Add Online Repositories Before Installation" and is shown in one of the first steps of installation (where you choose installation or update). But: the checkbox is hidden by default, I do not know why. To enable it, boot DVD with 'startshell=1', once you see shell, edit /control.xml and change the value of show_online_repositories to true. Than write 'exit' end installation will start. #5: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-28 10:35:20) (reply to #4) I think we should talk about changing default value of show_online_repositories. I see no reason for that to be hidden by default. (One possible issue is that adding online repositories during installation requires more memory and not all users can afford it. But it would be optional, anyway) #6: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 09:54:40) Added attachment Checkbox for online repositories (inst_mode_online. png) #7: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 09:58:20) Added attachment offering e17 among the desktops (inst_desktop_e17. png) #8: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-05-29 10:01:15) I've added two screenshots of updated installation workflow. Both actions can be achieved by simple editing control.xml. Coolo, is there a reason why the "Online Repositories During Install" checkbox should be hidded in openSUSE (current situation)? #9: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-06-10 13:09:55) Another note: any new pattern that we want to be included during the installation, needs to be present in the online repository. So far there are only few of them at http://download.opensuse.org/factory-snapshot/repo/oss/suse/setup/descr/ So in case of e17 pattern, if it does not go to DVD, it must be there. + #10: Jiří Suchomel (jsuchome) (2013-07-08 09:25:09) + E17 can be selected and installed with latest Factory snapshot. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/315061