Feature changed by: Stephen Kellat (skellat) Feature #307617, revision 3 Title: Make XFS the Default Filesystem openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Or at least allow the user to choose which filesystem to use during the install process. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: XFS is stable, has good performance and doesn't keep your hard drive awake with journaling.   + Discussion: + #1: Stephen Kellat (skellat) (2009-09-05 18:10:27) + How is this not already provided for in the installer's partition + editor?  If memory serves I can use XFS when I am partitioning during a + DVD-based install. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307617

Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #307617, revision 5 Title: Make XFS the Default Filesystem openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Or at least allow the user to choose which filesystem to use during the install process. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: XFS is stable, has good performance and doesn't keep your hard drive awake with journaling.   Discussion: #1: Stephen Kellat (skellat) (2009-09-05 18:10:27) How is this not already provided for in the installer's partition editor?  If memory serves I can use XFS when I am partitioning during a DVD-based install. #2: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-17 18:12:07) XFS does not have the data reliability enhancements mde to ext3/ext4 and ext4 is faster over all benchmark tests I come across.  ext4 has more active developers, with XFS a small pool. In 11.2 I actually did format some XFS filessystems, for storing large file data, which I wanted to share with older version Linux, so this feature is alraedy implemented. Do custom partition (for experts), size the disks, then you have filesystem format & fstab option form. + #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:18:46) (reply to #2) + Ext* does not have the fast quota bulkstat and atomic quota-keeping + that XFS does. + #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:22:02) + XFS does come to show age when dealing with a lots of metadata updates + (prime example: extracting kernel source). +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307617

Feature changed by: Robert Davies (robopensuse) Feature #307617, revision 7 Title: Make XFS the Default Filesystem openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Or at least allow the user to choose which filesystem to use during the install process. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: XFS is stable, has good performance and doesn't keep your hard drive awake with journaling.   Discussion: #1: Stephen Kellat (skellat) (2009-09-05 18:10:27) How is this not already provided for in the installer's partition editor?  If memory serves I can use XFS when I am partitioning during a DVD-based install. #2: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-17 18:12:07) XFS does not have the data reliability enhancements mde to ext3/ext4 and ext4 is faster over all benchmark tests I come across.  ext4 has more active developers, with XFS a small pool. In 11.2 I actually did format some XFS filessystems, for storing large file data, which I wanted to share with older version Linux, so this feature is alraedy implemented. Do custom partition (for experts), size the disks, then you have filesystem format & fstab option form. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:18:46) (reply to #2) Ext* does not have the fast quota bulkstat and atomic quota-keeping that XFS does. #5: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:30:44) (reply to #3) XFS is slow on mass deletions.  How many openSUSE users need to manage quotas? XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS, and SGI workstations were designed to maintain power to disks to complete transfers for a while on power disruption, to avoid this problem. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:22:02) XFS does come to show age when dealing with a lots of metadata updates (prime example: extracting kernel source).   + #6: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:34:52) (reply to #4) + I am using XFS for compatability with older releases, and it is a fine + file system for large files, but just not sensible choice for default + filesystem.  There were difficulties with boot loader to for 11.1, + where using ext2/3 was the recommended option, I believe due to + limitations in GRUB 0.97. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307617

Feature changed by: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) Feature #307617, revision 9 Title: Make XFS the Default Filesystem openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Or at least allow the user to choose which filesystem to use during the install process. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: XFS is stable, has good performance and doesn't keep your hard drive awake with journaling.   Discussion: #1: Stephen Kellat (skellat) (2009-09-05 18:10:27) How is this not already provided for in the installer's partition editor?  If memory serves I can use XFS when I am partitioning during a DVD-based install. #2: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-17 18:12:07) XFS does not have the data reliability enhancements mde to ext3/ext4 and ext4 is faster over all benchmark tests I come across.  ext4 has more active developers, with XFS a small pool. In 11.2 I actually did format some XFS filessystems, for storing large file data, which I wanted to share with older version Linux, so this feature is alraedy implemented. Do custom partition (for experts), size the disks, then you have filesystem format & fstab option form. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:18:46) (reply to #2) Ext* does not have the fast quota bulkstat and atomic quota-keeping that XFS does. #5: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:30:44) (reply to #3) XFS is slow on mass deletions.  How many openSUSE users need to manage quotas? XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS, and SGI workstations were designed to maintain power to disks to complete transfers for a while on power disruption, to avoid this problem. + #8: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-12 14:25:47) (reply to #5) + >XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS + Boo. Go do your homework, ext4 basically has the same issue. As does + ext3, just to a lesser extent because it commits more often. #7: Markus K (kamikazow) (2009-12-12 09:27:06) (reply to #2) Considering how many times my ext filesystems were trashed and I never ever had any data loss problem with XFS, XFS is the only sensible choice ATM. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:22:02) XFS does come to show age when dealing with a lots of metadata updates (prime example: extracting kernel source).   #6: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:34:52) (reply to #4) I am using XFS for compatability with older releases, and it is a fine file system for large files, but just not sensible choice for default filesystem.  There were difficulties with boot loader to for 11.1, where using ext2/3 was the recommended option, I believe due to limitations in GRUB 0.97. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307617

Feature changed by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Feature #307617, revision 11 Title: Make XFS the Default Filesystem openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Or at least allow the user to choose which filesystem to use during the install process. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: XFS is stable, has good performance and doesn't keep your hard drive awake with journaling.   Discussion: #1: Stephen Kellat (skellat) (2009-09-05 18:10:27) How is this not already provided for in the installer's partition editor?  If memory serves I can use XFS when I am partitioning during a DVD-based install. #2: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-17 18:12:07) XFS does not have the data reliability enhancements mde to ext3/ext4 and ext4 is faster over all benchmark tests I come across.  ext4 has more active developers, with XFS a small pool. In 11.2 I actually did format some XFS filessystems, for storing large file data, which I wanted to share with older version Linux, so this feature is alraedy implemented. Do custom partition (for experts), size the disks, then you have filesystem format & fstab option form. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:18:46) (reply to #2) Ext* does not have the fast quota bulkstat and atomic quota-keeping that XFS does. #5: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:30:44) (reply to #3) XFS is slow on mass deletions.  How many openSUSE users need to manage quotas? XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS, and SGI workstations were designed to maintain power to disks to complete transfers for a while on power disruption, to avoid this problem. #8: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-12 14:25:47) (reply to #5)

XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS Boo. Go do your homework, ext4 basically has the same issue. As does ext3, just to a lesser extent because it commits more often.

#7: Markus K (kamikazow) (2009-12-12 09:27:06) (reply to #2) Considering how many times my ext filesystems were trashed and I never ever had any data loss problem with XFS, XFS is the only sensible choice ATM. #9: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-12 14:26:37) (reply to #7) You realize that "I never had a crash with xyz, but I did have tons with abc" is the least convincing argument of all. Because everybody has a different xyz and abc. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:22:02) XFS does come to show age when dealing with a lots of metadata updates (prime example: extracting kernel source).   #6: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:34:52) (reply to #4) I am using XFS for compatability with older releases, and it is a fine file system for large files, but just not sensible choice for default filesystem.  There were difficulties with boot loader to for 11.1, where using ext2/3 was the recommended option, I believe due to limitations in GRUB 0.97. + #10: Charles Wright (asnrcw) (2010-01-06 21:12:33) + Sorry I was wrong.   You can install on XFS as an option.   Thanks for + the comments. +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307617

Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #307617, revision 13 Title: Make XFS the Default Filesystem - openSUSE-11.3: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2010-03-02 10:58:58 + reject reason: The user can choose today already which filesystem to + use. Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Charles Wright (asnrcw) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Or at least allow the user to choose which filesystem to use during the install process. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: XFS is stable, has good performance and doesn't keep your hard drive awake with journaling. -   Discussion: #1: Stephen Kellat (skellat) (2009-09-05 18:10:27) How is this not already provided for in the installer's partition editor?  If memory serves I can use XFS when I am partitioning during a DVD-based install. #2: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-11-17 18:12:07) XFS does not have the data reliability enhancements mde to ext3/ext4 and ext4 is faster over all benchmark tests I come across.  ext4 has more active developers, with XFS a small pool. In 11.2 I actually did format some XFS filessystems, for storing large file data, which I wanted to share with older version Linux, so this feature is alraedy implemented. Do custom partition (for experts), size the disks, then you have filesystem format & fstab option form. #3: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:18:46) (reply to #2) Ext* does not have the fast quota bulkstat and atomic quota-keeping that XFS does. #5: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:30:44) (reply to #3) XFS is slow on mass deletions.  How many openSUSE users need to manage quotas? XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS, and SGI workstations were designed to maintain power to disks to complete transfers for a while on power disruption, to avoid this problem. #8: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-12 14:25:47) (reply to #5)

XFS tends to result in files filled with nulls if you don't use a UPS Boo. Go do your homework, ext4 basically has the same issue. As does ext3, just to a lesser extent because it commits more often.

#7: Markus K (kamikazow) (2009-12-12 09:27:06) (reply to #2) Considering how many times my ext filesystems were trashed and I never ever had any data loss problem with XFS, XFS is the only sensible choice ATM. #9: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-12 14:26:37) (reply to #7) You realize that "I never had a crash with xyz, but I did have tons with abc" is the least convincing argument of all. Because everybody has a different xyz and abc. #11: Markus K (kamikazow) (2010-01-12 02:49:52) (reply to #9) On completely different PCs I had data losses with ext file systems. Never with XFS. #4: Jan Engelhardt (jengelh) (2009-12-05 14:22:02) XFS does come to show age when dealing with a lots of metadata updates (prime example: extracting kernel source). -   #6: Robert Davies (robopensuse) (2009-12-10 17:34:52) (reply to #4) I am using XFS for compatability with older releases, and it is a fine file system for large files, but just not sensible choice for default filesystem.  There were difficulties with boot loader to for 11.1, where using ext2/3 was the recommended option, I believe due to limitations in GRUB 0.97. #10: Charles Wright (asnrcw) (2010-01-06 21:12:33) Sorry I was wrong.   You can install on XFS as an option.   Thanks for the comments. -   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/307617